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And Millbrook cops are deffinatly the worst ever, I got arrested here a few years ago.
The house is so incredibly...crooked. It's all tumbled-down looking.
My mother lived in a lovely old dormitory at Millersville State College back in the sixties. It couldn't meet the state fire marshall's codes back then, so they turned off the mains at night to prevent fires. The following year they razed it and built new dorms.
You guys should read a book called "Gone Away Lake" by Elizabeth Enright. It might be for young adults, but that book is interesting.
alarmed, and is very hazardous inside as well. i am working on a history of its' designer. unfortunately it probably will
be demolished, to the shame of my hometown.
Millbrook for many years.it is true, alot
of the laborers who built this edifice
came from abroad. specifically the stone
masons, almost all of whom worked
for Mead & Taft, of Cornwall on the Hudson, who were the principal
contractors on Halcyon, as well as many,
many other structures in Millbrook. There
was so much work for these talented craftsmen that many stayed here, built
homes and thriving businesses of their
own. for me to label them as laborers is
almost an insult, they were really like
artists. one hopeful note: the rezoning
of the bennet /halcyon property includes a mandate that the STONEWORK of
halcyon must be preserved regardless
of whatever else is demolished. this
almost makes no sense, but it is a
consolation that at least this aspect of
these workmen's craft will endure in some form...
general hardware dealers.they were
credited as architects for three projects
i know of:1870-"Glenfields" estate for
quarry owner Archibald
Gracie KIng[Old Manitou Rd, Philipsburg Manor]
1875-99? Le Douxx/Healy House
shingle style house,
Deer Hill Rd, Cornwall
1890's LARGE BARN,Kenridge Farm
Cornwall
they were the principal contractors for
JE Ware's firm's upstate work,
particularly Millbrook and the Mohonk
properties,from about 1889 through
1914, perhaps a bit longer, they may have also serviced his firm in his NYC work, i am not sure.
i would imagine that Cornwall's local
historical society would be a place to
find out more about them, sometimes
any info on this stuff can be scarce, but
i am often pleasantly surprised in my own
research. if you find out more, let me know!
You're correct - I believe the boxy dorm was Alumnae hall and I think the chapel is now where the current caretaker lives. It was renovated into a residence shortly after the close of Bennett School by a local artist who shortly thereafter passed away. If you'd like to drop me a line, I'd love to hear from you, share my "stories" and reminisce a bit.
D
Made me think of people I knew then. Does anyone know what ever became of these people: Mildred Johnson, Ph.D teacher of music, Madelaine Germain, French teacher, and the head of the English department at that time, first name was Charles. Would love to hear.
HAS APPROVED PLANS TO DEVELOP
THE BENNETT COLLEGE PROERTY.
the approved developer is going to put
ABOUT 95 HOMES here. they can put
up to 112. what a sport. there is some
outlying property on this parcel, but certainly not enough to build this many,
WITHOUT ACTUALLY BUILDING ON OR
DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO HALCYON HALL'S FOUNDATION, WHICH MUST BE "PRESERVED" UNDER THE TERMS OF THIS DEAL.
in other words, GOODBYE, the building
IS COMING DOWN.
alot of people are not happy about this
development regardless of the building's fate. It is the entire character
of the village that will be affected. This
property has been a sylvan, serene,
park-like setting since before 1892,
and is still now. my god they are gonna ruin another beautiful place with
obscene condominiums!
property affected by projected development. i believe the chapel,
]probably designed by Allen & Collens,
architects, sounds like a winecooler}is
a private parcel? preserved, anyway.
thegreat theater complex on the hill by the
golfcourse? i do not know its' status...
it was originally the stables/garages for the college.
the seperate dorms to the east of halcyon might be adapted for housing,
as might the newer addition to the
left, connected to the main building.
there are dilapidated victorians on the
property that will also probably kiss the
wreckin ball, as they need every god
damned inch of this spread.
the big ? is the condition/fate of the
science building, located at the most hidden/remote part of the property.
the road has been closed for years,
returned to grass.it was built the year
bennet closed, to accomodate
state science accreditaion requirements.
it was never used, was considered
state of the art for 1977, and was a huge
factor in the colleges's failure the following year., in addtion to notorious mismanagement. it has always been the most hush-hush aspect of bennett's real estate/development potential future.
this property has been rumored through the years [79-present]to be bought and used by[in order']
-paul newman
-rev sung yun moon
-the guinness corporation
-trinity college, dublin, ireland
ETC ETC ETC
it is now apparently, finally, making way
for mundane crap housing with a fancy
name, maybe halcyon terrace or gardens or view or commons or dale
or hill or....halcyon hole....?
express some desire to preserve some
aspect of the history of this property!
Too many of the "players" in the impending demise-for-development
are the same characters who wish that freedom of speech ends at the Millbrook village's borders. Yeah? Well, TOO BAD!
not everybody concerned about this current plan are among those who turned a blind eye to restoration. THE
VILLAGE GOVERNMENT HAS WANTED
THIS SITE CLEAR FOR CONDOS going
back to 1983. The developer MAY or MAY NOT do something "positive with the
property"; that remains to be seen.
Rather than cashless complaining,
some people regard bringing historical voices to bear on the debate, ALONG
WITH the [inevitable} development, as
a mitigative factoring influence on
the developer DOING WHAT HE CAN,
and WHERE HE CAN, to TRY to preserve some aspect of the clearly
marvelous architecture represented,
WHERE POSSIBLE, This is all anyone is
really asking for.But boy, that really bugs
some people, doesn't it? Those
pesky history lovin interferers! Drat!
NO ONE is interfering, or "making problems" for the developers!! They have
been given a full spread eagle green light by the village board to do
practically whatever the hell they want with this site!
If they are acting in good faith as {new}
members of the community, they would be looking at trying to do this without
having to be shamed into it by, you
know,LOCAL AND ACADEMIC OPINIONS. I have heard that they are
trying to do just this, in terms of salvaging some of the architecture, which is encouraging. They seem to be
acting in good faith.
If on the other hand, it is so painfully
deleterious on the poor senses of the
developer or his affiliated defenders to
have to GOD FORBID...LISTEN TO SOMEONE'S OPINION ON THE TOPIC, or mock their right to do so for fear of interfering with their rammed through
business plan, then they are BY
DEFINITION ignorant a-holes who
should expect as much oversight, scrutiny, propagandizing against their
positions, and likewise as much mockery as they insist on heaping on
those of a differing opinion.
In other words: your getting your way!
and you'll all make a bundle. SO DON"T EXPECT ANYONE, LEAST OF ALL PEOPLE LEGITIMATELY OPPOSED TO YOUR PLAN FOR WHATEVER REASONS,TO CRY AND WHINE ABOUT YOUR P.R. PROBLEMS!!!
happy demo-ing
ps: good luck with the asbestos
Bad enough we're slated to lose our town treasure, it would be positively tragic to sacrafice tales and photo's of its incredible past along with the wrecking-ball. (Including a special chapter on all the idiots responsible for even allowing this day to come.) Would love to hear from you: wrddreamer@comcast.net
the contrast between the old of the house and the newness of the foliage is really beautiful and is a recurring theme in this set of pictures.
I noticed that a lot of windows were broken in by tree branches, and it seemed to me like nature was trying to tear the house down.
the black and white version is my favorite, though. it looked to me like an illustration from a story book, except instead of old style cottages, a more modern house.
it's beautiful
of Halcyon Hall and the Bennett campus from
the turn of the century, google-Hudson River Valley Heritage, a couple dozen fantastic photos can be found on their site. Also the
Village of Millbrook/Town of Washington
Historical Society website has a little bit.
In other Bennet "newz" [i feel like Ron Burgundy}... let's see, where do i begin.?
ok the plan submitted by Saugerties based
developer David Blumenthal calls for the construction of 95 homes on the Bennett site.
They are sorta faux Victorian, psuedo tudor
style facades. Slightly cheesy, but not that
bad relatively speaking. It could have been ALOT worse, as in Westchester aesthetics.
Millbrook Associates are the designated designers on the project. They do top notch
work, and have an impeccable reputation
regionally.
The East wing with the Queen Anne tower is
the only section of Halcyon to be saved. The
Chapel is to be moved close to it . Two
houses on the property are to be moved
up the hill to the golf course.
Everything else is to be demolished, the stone
is to be grinded and buried onsite. ONE undesignated
section of the masterfully executed stonework
is to be preserved. I presume the beautiful
little nursery school, built in 1930, possibly
by acclaimed Boston architects Allen & Collens, WILL be saved as it is a private parcel? i am unsure.. The Exmoore
mansion will be literally surrounded by this
development. It is currently for sale, at below market rate, as are dozens of more modest properties adjacent to the development. So it
has ALREADY had a negative effect on the
local real estate environment.
I think it is great they are attempting to save what they can. Obviously it impacts there business plan, as any of these concessions to preservation are strictly in the interest of
public relations, but so what? Most developers
wouldn't even bother. It is an indication of
how sensitive to the locals this whole affair is,
MORE than a case of enlightened planning,
i suspect, but who cares? i would like to be
optimistic and open minded.
Recent developments though, do not bode well for citizens hope for input. It is no
secret that this deal was pretty much cut behind closed doors, with zero public input.
The "official" public meeting on the topic
has been predictably stalled, and when it was
finally set for the final thursday of November,
the planning board cancelled the meeting 3 hours before it was set to begin. People are PISSED. The reason cited was unstated issues that have arisen between Blumenthal and the current owner of the parcel, Bud Heithaus.
There are other problems. Local property owners in outlying areas of the village who have been denied village water service for years have filed lawsuits protesting the
sweetheart deal proposed for water service at Bennett. An expensive deal just got more so!
There still is no Negative Environmental
Impact Designation in hand {allowing a
development to go forward.] People are
convinced that public input has been not
just stifled, but nonexistent. It is true that so much of this complex proposal has been already decided without a SINGLE public
meeting on the issue! Astonishing, really,
anywhere but Millbrook.
And then there is that pesky MASSIVE
asbestos and lead contamination. Bummer.
Half of the above information was made available in the local newspaper. I have only mentioned names that have been printed
publicly in context of Bennet's impending development.Except Ron Burgundy. And, oh,
Allen & Collens. {It really does sound like a wine cooler...]
in any event, the saga continues. Publicly stated plans to have the buildings down by now in fact, are gonna taka a little longer folks. ha ha....
This is one tough fuckin building....
PS - keep knockin us out with your amazing
enterprise Mr. Motts! You Rock The Planet!!!!
finally holding meetings re: the impending development of the Bennett parcel. Predictably,
these first meetings open to the public are
already the ones slated to declare wether or
not the plan is given a negative environmental
declaration allowing the plan to go forward. A
positive declaration would mean that more
intensive environmental studies are required.
Billionaire Oakleigh Thorne, the publishing
and software magnate, said he was concerned about possible effects to his nearby
farm, particularly because the water flows to it westward through the Bennett property.
[ Thorne's estate, Thornedale, has been in his family since before the American Revolution.
It was deeded to his ancestors by Crown Grant. It is considered one of the great
country seats of the northeast, due to it's
architecture, renowned gardens, colonial
pedigree, and it's high standing for centuries
in American racehorse and cattle breeding.]
Thorne expressed his doubts about the projects chances of succeeding if more
reviews and studies are required, and in
that event "we will help find a project better suited for our community." This recieved
enthusiastic applause from over 80 attendants.
more meetings are planned in the coming weeks. some people are in favor of this
proposal, and speak out in favor of it as well.
In some cases there is more to it than meets
the eye in terms of said parties public/
private interests being rather conflicted, let's
put it that way, but hell, we are all entitled to our
opinions for WHATEVER reasons, pro or con,
right? as long as the con ain't on me,baby....
i mean, I'm biased as hell on the issue,
for my own goddamned reasons...
is oakleigh hinting at getting behind an alternative proposal?
perhaps; his family has and probably continues to be one of Millbrook's most
generous benefactors, often anonymously.
there had been idle chatter, often referred to
as Gossip, that the Thorne's wanted
something Proper to happen with their
failing neighbor Halcyon Hall. Who knows...
But the relationship between Halcyon and
Thornedale can be historically described
as polite ambivalence; Halcyon's founder
HJ Davison Jr. was upfront about trying to upstage it's neighboring estate, and it's
very in-your-face siting relative to the Thorne
bloc still resonates in terms of proximity.
Mansion building tended to be very competitive
in the nineteenth century. Perhaps some things have changed since 1893?
i will be Pat-strodamus and predict that...
this project will likely go through, perhaps
with modification. Too much of which will definitely make the whole thing unprofitable
for anyone, and Halcyon will STILL be left
to rot, fall, or burn.
What a fuckin mess....
Fantastic shot !!!
Signed: An American Soldier stationed in Germany.
development was billed as another chance for residents to offer public commentary. As the meeting began, however, it immediately became nothing of the sort. The Planning Board chairwoman changed the format
instead into a forum for the developer to
update Millbrook's own planning consultant.
No public commentary was allowed to the
dissappointment of many of the over 90
attendees.The claim was made that no new info was being submitted by the developer.
Yet by the end of the evening a large number of developments were made public for the first time, many after most of the attendees
spoke with their feet and left upon being
misled. Perhaps next meeting no one will be allowed to comment on this last one's developments? They are getting famous for this swap-o/ change-o routine.
Perhaps because last meeting 61 of 62
speakers were on record as against this fiasco?
The mayor dosn't seem to be having a problem with his free speech being curtailed.
He has published a very bitchy letter to local
papers excoriating opponents of this deal.
He is in a bid for re=election in less than 2weeks, and took a case to the County Supreme Court to have his opponents
candicacy nullified at the last minute. He
lost the case badly, complaining of missing legal deadlines because of bad weather. Judge
James Brands, known as a strict interpreter of the law , in cases before his court at least,
dismissed the case quickly.
The politician who can sucessfully develop
Bennett will be worshipped as a brahmin god
by certain segments of Millbrook's political,
banking, and real estate community. The
politician who attempts this and fails will go
down in flames of political oblivion.Make no
mistake, this is smash mouth, bloodsport politics to the parties involved here. There
are many millions of dollars at stake for the
public and private sector, There is so much
goddamned money in millbrook in general,
it is almost staggering.
The final application will be submitted by the
end of March. The developer says he is creating a web site with all available info, to spare the village clek being inundated with
Freedom of iNFORMATION requests.
It was settled that THERE ARE NO MORE ZONING ISSUES, this site is legal in that regard for this development, and that that will
NOT be revisited. From here it is a matter of
environmental permits, etc. and final legal
drafting etc blah blah...
In addition to concerns about road width,
trees and landscaping, and other site issues,
they were savvy enough to bring in a Historic
Resources consultant, who revealed that The State Office of Historical Preservation requested that they AGAIN LOOK AT THE BUILDINGS TO SEE IF MORE OF THEM CAN BE SAVED, which was concluded negatively.
On the positive side, the east wing's tower,
as well as The Chapel, and two quality Victorian houses are to be saved, along with some section of the beautiful stonework.
PIcture this photo with most of the stone base
but all of the wood section gone except the
easternmost fifth or so. This is what the computer simulation looks like anyway
There has been alot of redesigning of the
housing to be built, that it will fit with the
Tudor style of what will be saved, as well as the look of the village's housing at large.
Another huge revelation was that Blumenthal
will pay for a traffic roundabout at the everlong
dangerous Monument intersection at the
southeast corner of the parcel. This would be a welcome restoration of a very historic, and
long neglected slice of local history.
I think this is the best to be hoped for, really.
None of these concessions would have been a reality but for alot of different people getting
really pissed off and demanding input, including even this website,. I know for a fact that involved parties have monitored the chatter on this message board, which i think is a good thing. In that
regard I have to commend the developer, i hate to say. It is the village govt. that has acted
like absolute shits to the people they serve.
Blumenthal & Co must be aware that they have taken alot of the pr blowback that deserved to be square in the village board's
faces, but hey that's why he makes a buck, right? Besides, the village gvt is WAY too busy
trying to get people to vote for them, instead of actually
LISTENING to those voters.
F*** 'em. Selling off our history SHOULD be expensive, hopefully to all of their miserable political careers!
Thanks again Motts for providing a forum
where free speech still reigns!
happy st patricks day to all!
You mentioned buildings to be saved in this proposed development deal, but I'm wondering about the Harkaway theatre. Any news on that building?
Rock on Motts! Looking forward to any and all new pix's of our beloved Halcyon.
Keep it coming Pat, and a happy jolly St.Patty's to you too :-)
for the hellraising on your own. Unfortunately
the Harkaway Theatre is to be demolished
as well. It was originally built as a stable, if
not for the original hotel, then for the college
not long after. I remember my aunt taking me to plays there when i was a little kid. Either
Godspell or Jesus Christ Superstar. {SO 70's!]
Thanks Pat for all the info. ajax_1@usa.net
The Bennett years were the happiest of my life. I would welcome contact from anyone who went there, and I have lots of info! Am also in touch with my great friend Charley Hoyt who is alive and well in Millbrook. Still lives in the same house! Am also in touch with Peggy Clapp, and members of the Black Swans. I would really love to hear from you! We Bennett girls need to stick together!
peace and Love,
Martha Magee
howyadoinere@hotmail.com
i want to say Haverford?i am unsure, but
i will try to look it up. i know that they were
saved, though, in repository at another college.
to perform the demolition of Halcyon Hall.
the building is starting to cave in. I would
guess they would like to start pouring new
foundations in the spring, and there is
obviously alot to demo before they can do that. as well as
terraforming the new layout, etc. which could be done in winter. I am guessing the very
latest they could do this and be on schedule
would be early January. So perhaps between now and Christmas. But who knows. Things
like this move slow, and common sense would dictate that after the holidays would be a typical time when it would not draw as much
negative attention or coverage.
Also demo-ing in the hot weather is alot more
unpleasant and difficult. so...soon...
she is a comin down.....
i've been seeing photos of halcyon on tons
of sites now, a zillion in the last year alone,
none of them approach the kickass-ness
of Motts's , not even close.
a "sister' building, as it were, to HAlcyon Hall:
the monumental medieval barn on the
Hitchcock estate burned to the ground yesterday, leaving only the giant fieldstone walls. No people or animals were hurt or
killed. It apparently burned for days, requiring a massive emergency response county wide. Besides
Halcyon Hall ,it is one of the largest buildings in Millbrook.
It was constructed in the 1890's by
the architect and builders of Halcyon Hall
for one of the original investors of the
hotel. Charles F Dieterich was a German born
industrial magnate who came to America
penniless but eventually founded Union Carbide. The estate he built was perhaps the
masterpiece of country residential design by
it's architect.
In the 1960's it was the headquarters of fomer Harvard psychiatrist
Timothy Leary, where he spearheaded his
mission of popularizing and promoting
the quest for mind expansion through the
use of psychedelic drugs, specifically LSD-25.
THis barn was originally the foundation
structure of what was planned to be a
full blown medieval germanic castle. After
plans for this were abandoned, Dieterich made it
a cowbarn instead. The late Millbrook
historian Carmine DiArpino rightly described
it as "the most improbable bovine residence
in {America}". FRom Bangall Road it looked
like a freakin' cathedral rising out of the hills.
Amazingly, Halcyon has been a tinderbox
for years without any fire incident, despite
being overun for decades by vandal idiots,
careless fools, and known pyromaniacs.
Drunk punk rok skatboarders would light
fires in it's unfunctional fireplaces years
ago. Yet a solid, virtually all stone mega
structure comparable in size and pedigree
disappears, in a scenario that seems
unlikely compared to the fire-waiting-to-happen that has been Bennet/HAlcyon
since 1977.Murderous irony...
I predict the Hitchcock brothers will rebuild.
THe Stone is intact. A good portion of the
tax arrangement on this vast estate is tied
directly to its use as an agriculturally active
property of historical/ architectural signifigance.
It would be a shame to lose this piece of
Europe on American soil.
why don't you buy the place, then do with it want you want. If you have the pesos you can have the say sos.
"the place" as you refer to it
{I assume you mean Halcyon, rather than my slightly off-topic preceding post referring to
an architecturally related site;] I merely
Advocate Preservation, Where Possible.
Anyone reading any of my preceding posts
as CAREFULLY as I have tried to WRITE them will see that I have commended the developer
where warranted in their attempts to do just that, and that I am as informed as Anyone as
to the UNSALVAGEABLE state of most of these buildings.
Your cute couplet about "having the pesos
to have the say sos" {sic}, speaks for itself
in regarding the base mentality of not just
the mindset supportive of this particular
issue of development, but of the sadly
myopic attitude in Millbrook in general regarding its' physical, social, and historical
legacy.
If it is a wealth based meritocracy
determining local public policy that you
advocate, then touche'...you have that in spades.Congratulations. What is so
objectionable then,about an expression
of Advocacy for Preservation,Where Possible,
for this, or any other future endangered local site of
architectural or cultural signifigance?
Particularly here in a forum dedicated to
the appreciation and lamentation of places
that are considered artistic, neglected or special for WHATEVER reason?
The fact is, if i had a "peso' to spare, the
last thing i would do is spend even a fraction
of it in the desperatley pretentious, plastic shithole of a
"community" that passes for Millbrook these days. Who could blame any smart developer
for sensing a great opportunity to cash in on
an upscale country town hell-bent on selling out what makes
it special in the first place? Millbrook is a smart
developers' moist, wet dream orgy. It is a marriage made in Heaven. Enjoy the wedding by all means, 'cuz the marriage itself is spring -loaded to be rough for you, me, or anyone else
invested in any way with the outcome of
the current scenario, whatever any of our opinions, public or private.
Obviously my extended family has spent more
than a few "pesos" over the last fourteen decades
building what is Millbrook in the first place.
So you'll forgive my current lack of veneration for the
wealth-rated pecking order expected, relative
to commentary,{ or even opinion it would seem.}
Halcyon is gone there will no longer be any reason to go back there for me other to tend to family members buried at the church. Bennett / Halcyon is a chuck of Millbrook history just as Thorndale is.... No it might not of been reused as a school but it could of been restored as a Bed and Breakfast.... gift shops, a custom spa... anything ! other than what it was left to become. What did the people of Millbrook in goverment have against this place to let it fall into such disrepair?? just is so sickening....
P.S (And I wouldn't take that bet, sweetie, you'd lose it big time.)
appropo
I grew up across the street from this building. I looked out the front windows of our home and saw it rising up from that ultra steep hill. That incline served as a great snow sledding location for years. I learned to ride my bike on the circular concrete walk that was on the southwestern lawn, to ice skate on the golfcourse ponds behind the theater. I explored the buildings as only a child can- finding treasure in the hallways after the women had gone home for the summer. Learned my climbing skills- on the stone work and huge trumpet vines that made up the south wall- which later would stand in good favor when I taught mountain rescue in the German Alps. I remember when all th traffic used to go around the Bennett circle, before the road was cut through the hill to the south and bypassed the road through Bennett. After that road was finished, the corner store located on the circle went under. I remember all the cool houses that the college provided for the teachers- each different, old and character filled. Nostalgia and memories, that is what that hugh edifice represents for me.
My father taught there from '62-'72, so this is really a piece of my life being torn down. I won't be the first person to loose something that is dear to them, but it still stings. What really strikes me as odd, it just how rapidly it has happened. I am not that old. When I see pictures of the two houses that sat north of the presidents house, the de la Volpes and the one of the wonderful single older woman teachers , the place where we watched the Millbrook fireworks- all in disrepair, it looks like they have been vacant for a century, not less than 30 years. Why ....that is all I'm wondering. I'm not going to imply subterfuge, that has been done better, in other places on this thread, but lordy.
Another thing that needs saying is that Bennett was for women. This was a place of independence- some of whom were ahead of their time with regards to what women could accomplish. It broke some of the molds and supported independence. I was there in the sixties, so there were all sorts of stories of the more adventurous students spending time with the good Dr. Leary, located just north of town.
The biggest question is where were all the alumni? I had babysitters who are now 30 years into their soap opera starring runs. Not everybody who went to Bennett was from a wealthy family , but I do know Francesca Hilton is an alum, as was one of the bridesmaids in Lucy Bird Johnson's wedding. I'm almost certain that a Bennett education helped some of these women succeed in a monetary fashion. If not residents of Millbrook, why not these graduates? I've never seen a school so ignored by alums that most probably have gone onto fairly lucrative professions.
Anyhow. I'm just venting. Like I said, I've been following this for years, hoping for a change in the status and doing nothing about it except watch. For that, I had a hand in this as well.
I can be reached at pj1550@hotmail.com
As the old saying goes, there's always funding for those "good 'ole boys" prep schools, but when it comes to women, either these women or their husbands still seem to think there are better things in this world than providing for a secular education for their daughters.
I can't tell you how proud I am that my own daughter attended a girls high school and is now attending an all women's college. The difference between she and her other friends who have attended coed schools is like night and day. Poise, confidence, interest, goals, drive, ambition, compassion, grades, and a true sense of self. The work she puts into her studies is unwaivering-something she is very proud of.
Although Bennett, such a beautiful school and part of an eclectic community, can never be recovered from it's demise, it remains all the more important to continue to support other women's bastions of education to ensure our future women leaders will continue to thrive.
Of the many historic places to save, this would have been one of the more esthetic locations in the Hudson Valley to save. But then again, so would all of them.
How does a community prevent the sale of a historic icon sich as this to someone who could never fulfill the potential of such a large building? Preservation? Historic Society? Town Council, Federal Grants, Historic Preservation? How many hands must be in the pot before it will undoubtedly spoil the broth?
As Bennett approached bankruptcy, alumnae were promised that there would be a way to keep up w/ other alumnae thru Pace. Never happened.
Shame that we allow our heritage to disappear.
www.myspace.com/theblackswans1
(my tribute page)
Thanks!
to Audrey Hepburn!! Mel Ferrer Audrey
Hepburn's husband is not related to
Jose Ferrer..Molly Ferrer's uncle in
any way.
of different people for lots of different
reasons, with the accompanying clash
in discourse that usually invites...
opacity is consistently a rich and compelling example
of a Meta-programmatic approach to art,
history, documentary technology, and
individual artistic expresion, one that
paradoxically opens itself up to the
unarmored scrutiny of unrestricted
public commentary. Artistic or otherwise.
And we haven't even gotten to the Content! {!}
Could not keep from posting tonight, just
that opacity is INSPIRATIONAL to me
as a painter, one who stuggles
from the aesthetic "curse" of too Much
inspiration. If that makes sense. Or Not..
Your achievement becomes more substantial the more i take the time to view it.
Thank you motts for taking the time, commitment and risk to do what you do, physically, artistically, publically, legally,
honestly, and most of all beautifully.
Would love to say i know anything new
Re: bennet.. current.. inevitable.. etc.
but there is nothing new....ok
another year this fine hall graces my
countryside, no matter it's state....
ahh... so be it.
tha more rui'nd, all the better...
I've seen 'er recently, 'alcyon 'alls' like
a glow in the dark ghost pirate ship, she is..
over the inertia and lack of official
update on the status of the Bennet property.
The interested parties seem to represent
land and /or homeowners whom seem to feel that the village board/ and or Bennet's
owners have turned a blind eye to safety
and enforcement of building codes there
for the past three decades.
Yeah, no shit. A real hot news flash.Like
no one has noticed the place....
There are some who view this falling wreck of a former landmark as a hazard, and a
blight on Millbrook's image and property values. They are probably correct at this point.
Fire concerns were also cited.
The board led by Mayor Andy Ciferri, is
now ready to hold the proposed developer
accountable for the staus of their project
scenario. In other words, pissed off property owners who feel the developers as well as the current owners have been given a free ride, have decided to light a fire under their asses in a very public way.
It seems the intent is as much to provide
parity, and fairness in regards to ALL local
building codes, zoning, etc. and Bennet
is the obvious example, for people who are routinely
screwed or denied by the village board for their own property, additions, expansions, easements etc.
In other words, this has little to do with Bennet directly, it is {again] being used as a very convenient excuse to embarass Millbrook into following the law regarding
ALL properties.
Kinda, sorta.
These shortsighted people are going to
end up screwing themselves in the end.
Despite the board's seeming cluelessness
regarding Bennet's status, they ,as well as everyone else who has followed this at all
know that the DEC is still conducting its' environmental review. It takes time, people.
There is a war on, Government is busy
Wrecking Everything, it's hard for them to
multi-task folks!! Chill out. Don't worry they
are going to ruin this place soon enough.
Except these rule crazy types may end up forcing the village to DEMOLISH HALCYON HALL ITSELF. Who do you think will pay for that? Millbrook will, if these shortsighted people have their way. Then they will be the first to complain when the multi million bill
forces up their taxes considerably, all in
the name of SAFETY and CODE COMPLIANCE.
They remind me of Republicans: The whole
world can be going to hell, ruinous wars,an economy down the toilet, and all of that is just fine BECAUSE BILL CLINTON"S NOT GETTING ANY STRANGE. To put it nicely.
Basically, they should let the developer
finish the deal. HE pays for demo, site
remediation, and more importantly [to these
rule -crazy types] insurance, against
liability for injury, contamination, or whatever other scenario these paranoid panic-junkies
are so freakin worried about after 3 decades.
It is somewhat of a ploy for a whole other
agenda. But they are right in the long run.
As one who is interested in Preservation,
as opposed to Rules, my concern is that
the current development scenario
provides for some actual preservation!!
The best that can be hoped for, I assure
you.
If the village is forced to demo out of
{all of a sudden] code compliance,
then forget selective preservation
of the tower wing, stonework etc. So if
you are for preserving some aspect of this
place, a legal directive to demo would
be a disaster. As it would also be for the village's fiscal position.
Perhaps the only good would be that the
property would then not necessarily be
as heavily developed as current plans call for.
Mayor Andy Ciferri, who i personally think has been pretty good on this and other issues,
has promised to update the village on a monthly basis.
He has his work cut out for him.
the village anymore that i am probably not
on about the relative merits of millbrook's
"leaders" ! I guess I felt pretty disappointed
in the last 2 mayors, under whose tenure things
COULD have been improved, and felt that
Andy, who I think is a decent guy on a human level at least, might have brought some of that to the job.
I've tried to evolve my position as the situation changes:; that is, that "restoring"
Halcyon is out of the question, case closed.
That the development scenario already
in motion [?] DOES provide for some
sympathetic retention of stonework, the chapel, cottages, etc.
I do think that IS preferable to just tearing it all down outright. So my advocacy for this building's rescue starting in 1989, appears now to have
evolved to a position of "siding" with developers, if one were not careful to
recognize the nuance of my argument.
If THEY are going to save some of this place, then I will side with whoever THEY are!
... with reservations about the
impact on the character of the village.
I love Millbrook, and I care deeply about the place, on alot of levels. So your right, there
are no easy solutions or answers. Other than your point which is local government, in
general, and this one in particular, ARE THE
PROBLEM! And that dealing with them is useful if only
because one must go over or around their bullshit inevitably. But you are right that they
no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt from anybody, not even an optimistic
maniac like myself!
Bottom line the building IS falling down,
the OWNER might want to get his shit together and advise the board, the public,
etc etc. But we all know, on a business level that would be a lit bag of dynamite in the
current climate of Absolute Code Compliance.
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I first lived out at North Clove Rd. which was completely isolated. She was "stuck" there (we only had the one car) with our children - toddlers 10 months apart while my work at the college usually involved 10 to 12 hour days and numerous evenings. We moved into a house owned by Bennett out on Oak Summit Road during our second year.
I enjoyed the area with its woods and snow but my wife did not and after four years I accepted a job as Music Director at Harvard-Westlake School in Los Angeles where just about every person in the film industry sent their sons and daughters. Anyway, I really did enjoy Bennett and found many of the students to be of superb intellect and admirable asirations. The drama and dance productions were often of high quality and there were lots of opportunities for highly original and even experimental work.
I do remember Regina Cody, a very old and brilliant teacher who headed the English Dept. and who took a great liking to me
after hearing my string quartet. We shared tea and had some great conversations. I do remember Charles Hoyt - he played some pretty hot Fats Waller on the piano. There was the artist whose last name was Della-Volpe who befriended me early-on as well as the younger Ron Collier. Mike McElhaney directed the theater department and Emily Wadhams the dance department. Harkaway Theater was an incredible environment named for the horse of the brilliant architect who designed the facility 'way back when.'
Halcyon Hall - the posted photos show this
sort of horrid Victorian film-genre building.
Halcyon was actually quite lovely and it is surely only the fault of those so callous as to let it fall into such a state that accounts for the later photos. It was old, yes, but it was a warm, welcoming, stately place with endless character and beauty. It was filled with great old 1900 furniture. Whe n you entered the lobby there was a huge floor-standing clock.
The faculty lounge had old Victorian furniture
I recall having lunch with trustees and we were served by young women in maid's uniforms with white gloves. I did manage to look inbto dorm rooms during an official tour and I remember them being old and small but, still, possession a character that could not be easily dismissed.
The newer dorm building was fairly absurd and whoever let the new architect place it next to Halcyon had little or no respect for the character of the college overall.
You have to have seen the place when it was filled with great kids going to class, snow on the ground or Fall leaves, flowers, etc.
President Eldridge's house stood at the top of the main hill of the campus and looked down upon Halcyon. Keep in mind that Halcyon was the official entrance - you drove up the road and discovered a somewhat 'surrounding' Halcyon Hall with its attached library, chapel, etc. and the main erntrance to the building. Up on the hill were located Harkway Theater, a state-of-the-art dance studio, drama classrooms, the modern music building, fashion design building (music and fashion were connected via and underground tunnel as I recall), a fabulous wide-open art studio where sculptor Tal Streeter worked and taught, etc.
The science building was among the very old facilities but was outfitted with modern classroom equipment, etc.
I can recall almost all of the students I ever taught at Bennett. Two who attained fame -
Gates McFadden ("Star Trek") and Andrea Marcovicci (often called America's leading cabaret singer) well represented the kind of talent and dedication that I found in the wonderfully interesting young ladies who attended Bennett.
The college spared n o expense when it came to bringing famous personalities to campus. During the four years I taught at Bennett we had as guest lec turers/artists
Tyrone Guthrie, katherine Litz, Roy Lichtenstein, Senator Fullbright, ambassadors, scientists, playwrights,
etc. The beauty of any school in which the students are in-residence is that evening programs are always being planned.
Of course, that also meant that, as a young married husband, I was too, too often "trapped" in long evening rehearsals or preparing tapes in the sound booth.
Ann and I returned to Bennett sometime in
the late 1980s while passing thru the area on a return visit from California. The college had gone "belly-up" years before and high weeds were already growing up around the beautiful dance studio. There were some people around as part of the campus was then being used as a workshop for a welfare program I believe - not sure. Ann had tears in her eyes. When I asked her why she said that
she was remembering how lonely and unhappy she had been while I was teaching there. It made me realize that I had made the right decision to move out to California and take a position which was more challenging but gave me a good home-life with Ann and our kids.
Millbrook - what a weird place. It could be charming and delightful as well as lonely,
too damn provincial and even "close-minded." There were too many folks with the same last name. We were treated ok as I recall although you were always "one of those college people." I really don;t know if it's fair to blame the townies for not rescuing the college campus. First of all I went into town a lot and I do not recall the girls patronizing the Millbrook stores unless they really were desperate. They drove into Poughkeepsie or flew to White Plains. So, I'm not at all sure that there was any love lost between the town people and the college folk.
I remember Rolf Haines Pharmacy, John Cading at Corner News Store, Al Maggiacomo dry cleaners and Millbrook Dept. Store. Ha, I used to read Playboy Magazine and when I purchased a copy at Corner News Store it had to be put into a brown paper bag before I left so that I didn;t dare walk down Main St. with it showing.
Horrors! During the summer the college was deserted but we had Upward Bound and I had a blast with those kids.
It did not require a genius to see that Bennett was heading towards bankruptcy if they did not choose to go co-ed while there was still time. The day of the single-sex school was over except for those who could stand on their reputation as great institutions of higher learning. Bennett's trustees, administraion and business officers simply 'sat on their hands' too long before seeing what was coming. I was, of course, deeply saddened to learn of the college's financial failure, but
I dfo recall the business manager making fun of me for leaving to go to a job in California where, according to him, "those private schools go under all of the time."
Well, the school I moved to continues to be one of the greatest schools in the nation and has graduated lumanaries too numerous to count (Jake and Maggie Gyllenhall, Governor Jerry Brown, Sally Ride, nobel winners,
leaders in every field, etc.) Bennett should have gone co-ed by 1970.
The arguments about Molly Ferrer are pretty silly. The issues surrounding whether or not
rich alumni should have recused the campus are probably moot. If Bennett alum had felt the need to rescue the place - meaning the physical plant - they would have done so. Obviously they went on to 4 year colleges and universities and no longer felt a strong-enough attachment to the place to warrant such a rescue.
Personally, I always saw Halcyon and, in fact, the entire campus as a ripe opportunity for someone to develop a huge Bed & Breakfast or lodege of some kind. So much was in-place when the school 'went under.'
Knowing the way Millbrook Bank and the Millbrook twon fathers worked I still believe that they probably enjoyed watching those fine buildings crumble away. My personal belief, however, is that the memories live on and the demise of the physical plant cannot subtract from what thousands of individuals accomplished and took away with them for the rest of their lives.
While reading the comments posted here I remembered that I used to shoot 8mm home movies as a hobby - the kids, our houses, trips, pets, etc. Needless to say I took a few reels of Bennett College when everything looked great. The best is a four-minute color video taken in the 'dead of winter' when everything was covered in lovely snow.
I held my camera in one hand and just drove around the entire campus with my Yashica camera going. I transferred it to VHS yearts later and eventurally to DVD. needless to say, there's been some natural deterioration but the place still looks great in the footage.
(I remember Mike McElhaney dreamed of bringing a video studio to Bennett at a time when video cameras were still large and quite expensive. I'm not sure that ever came about or he would have invariably taken videos of the campus, productions, people, etc.
Anyway, I just thought I would add my insight and memories to this site with the hope that someone, somewhere has their memory piqued.
I'll close with a thought similar to somwething I wrote earlier. Seeing Halcyon in those recent photos is a bit like seeing the ocean liner S.S. United States after she was stripped bare by salvage companies.
The "thing" itself still stands in memory and whatever it looks like now is merely a reflection of what human beings value or, to be kind, are unable to maintain due to
change, progress, values, the natural order of things and even a certain sense of disregard which may also be natural to the human condition.
I truly wish that the young ladies of Bennett College have gone on to wonderfully happy and productive lives and that their memories of Bennett are fond ones.
Best Wishes,
Jerry Margolis
As it turned out, finally, over the years accumulated teaching in other Colleges and Universities (MIT Center for Advanced Visual Studies, University of North Carolina, Dartmouth, Queens, SUNY Purchase---the latter which I left Bennett to found the Division of Visual Arts Sculpture Department) that I came to the realization that Bennett was indeed way, way up there, a remarkable school. And isn't this outpouring a testament and a well-deserved tribute to Miss May Friend Bennett's school!?
I'm going to add some more considered comments soon. In the meantime, drop me a line I'd love to hear from the extended Bennett family!
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Attended by a little under 100 people, only
2 people spoke in favor of the proposed development. Former mayor Don Briggs,
under whose term the plan was initially presented, made his case that it was a good
plan in the best interests of Millbrook.
Local contractor and builder Skip Ciferri,
whose ancestors built the stonework of Halcyon, also expressed a desire to see the plan move forward. Unfortunatly, unlike the former mayor, Skip felt the need to excoriate
dissenters, labeling them as "from outside the village" and imposing
'their own elitist view".
The counter argument against the development proposal was more effective
this meeting. 25 people alloted their 3 minute
slot to billionaire Oakleigh Thorne, whose
ancestral farm neighbors the Bennett property to the west. Thorne used the 45 minutes to present a comprehensive
argument against the project, based on
economic, environmental, infrastructure,
and quality of life issues.This included a
56 page slide show, as well as reports from
consultants Morris Associates.
Alot of residents of the existing condominium
community adjacent to the property in question also spoke against the plan. That
development from 1984 converted the
existing dormitories on the Bennet campus.
The meeting was actually very detailed
as far as the specifics of this development's negative impact on the village of Millbrook.
I have not the time nor space to get into those specifics, except to say that they were fairly thorough. The way previous meetings
were conducted, there was no opportunity to respond or counter SPECIFICS of the proposal. This should have been allowed
from the begiining, which seems why Thorne's presentation was necessary to
at least hold the board accountable to those specifics as it decides the fate of the Bennet
Property.
As of tonight, Halcyon Hall is still standing.
Thanks again Motts, you Rock....
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I hope the structure or some of it can be re-used in some way. If the buildings are too far gone to be saved that is. Maybe they can make a monument to Bennett's school? The B & B would've been a great idea...but that should've happend not too long after it closed in 77. Its (the buildings) have been sitting way too long now (for renovation that is)....and I'm sure costs would be sky high ....so many upgrades needed really. Sad but so true. Either way , Pat, please keep us all updated when you can. Take care.....
Many years later I learned Bennett had closed due to inability to repay NY state Dormatory Authority loans taken out on newer co-ed dorms and when enrollments declined the state would not offer any flexability. This caused the closing of the College. A nearly identical fate nearly occurred to the college I eventually completed a BFA degree from - Cazenovia College. Only for them, the town business people came together and helped the college regroup. kholden@twcny.rr.com
presented. For all intents and purposes,
this means the demolition of Halcyon HAll.
The only real mitigative stipulation by the board was 5 foot sidewalks instead of
4 foot sidewalks, and that was not even out of
compliance with the Americans With
Disabilities Act.!
Opposed Interested parties have expressed astonishment at the vote in light of the
compellingly comprehensive presentation
against the particulars of this development proposal. Be careful who ya vote for, folks,
somewhere around the millenilum, that
vote of yours DID suddenly matter, Huh? ho ho ho...now live with it
Former Mayor Don Briggs, under whom this plan first manifested, was an enthusiastic cheerleader for this development plan,
and commented favorably on the resolution , almost as if he were still mayor.
Just my impression. The current mayor has not been vocal at all, even after promising to
update the public on a monthly basis, and
failing to, even once in seven {7} months.
THe Blumenthal plan provides for SOME
preservation of a tiny fraction of Halcyon Hall,
specifically the stonework foundation, the extant chapel property, some part of the eastern tower wing[ most of which will undoubtedly be almost new construction]
The plan calls for all of this to be conglomerated into some postmodern
jumbling together of the very elements that are being demolished to make room for the
psuedo Tudor condos evoking the real architecture that is making way for it in the first place.
AS a preservationist I try to preserve when
and where possible. The plan approved
PROVIDES EXACTLY FOR SOME OF THIS PRESERVATION! IF THEY DO WHAY HAS BEEN AGREED UPON IN THEIR OWN PLAN.
I emphasize to those opposed to demolition
that the AGREED UPON, IN THIS PLAN,
provisions for SOME preservation of this
site, IS THE BEST that can be hoped for.
I Don't Like it, but it is too far gone to save.
I've been there not long back, and it is just too far gone. Believe me I know from
a structural point of view...
BUT...
NOW that this development plan goes forward, let's makle sure they do what they agreed to, BLUMENTHAL & THE VILLAGE
BOARD...at least in regards to the token
preservation of Millbrook's unique physical heritage.
very nice
principal of Bennett Acquisitions LLC, has
filed a lawsuit in State Supreme Court in Poughkeepsie, against the board of the adjoining Bennett Commons Condominiums.
The suit relates to easements on the property
between the existing condominiums and the soon to be developed areas to be sold by
Heithaus to Brickmann/ Blumenthal partners.
The lot in question is formerly part of the
condominium parcel, yet owned by Heithaus,
whom has payed taxes on it, but has not
been offered the opportunity to vote, or avail himself of any controlling interest in the Bennett Commons Association, despite
owning the lot in question that Heithaus claims
would proportionally give him a 44% vote.
He is seeking to have the lot declared free of any legal encumbrance, pursuant to its sale
for the proposed development.
Another easement situations seems
unresolved as far as the Exmoore property.
This small mansion will be virtually landlocked by this development, and is allegedly left off some of the siteplans.
Rumoured to meet the criteria to be considered a historic property.
Exmoore was built in 1913 as the President's residence for Bennett college.
Designed by Halcyon Hall's original architect,
it continued James E Ware's employ by Mae
Friend Bennett in enlarging and adding to the
college campus that he had originally designed as a hotel 21 years earlier. It is
one of the last buildings in Millbrook designed by Ware. A quietly distinguished
neo colonial residence that has a stately charm, still reminiscent of the early 20th century.
it is also considered something of a dead horse in the local real estate market for
years at varying prices. There isn't a problem with the house itself, it's in excellent and upgraded condition.
It is just one of those difficult properties, made more so
by proximity to the controversial Bennet ruin.
There is also the looming scenario holding
the village responsible to demo in the event of the failure or delay to do so by the development proposal.
most of these snags will likely just add to the eventual cost of this fiasco. I would bet good odds
and real money that will be the justification for
jettisoning the preservation aspects of the development,[what laughingly few there are]
Hopefully selective demolition is not the first casualty of the current economic climate relative to this proposed development's
own stated plans, the plans that have been agreed upon.
So there are a few ghosts in the machine in the race to tear down Halcyon Hall which is 116 years old.
along with Millbrook resident and entrepenuer Paul Orofino,
filed suit against The Millbrook Planning board, for flagrant abuse,
ignorance, and gross violation of Open Meeting Laws, in particular in relation to
handicapped access laws, as well as the
"sped-up" nature of the proceedings, the
bait & switch aspect that has characterized
the nature of these proceedings at least as long as Mott has been photographing the
site, and at least as long as I can remember anyone but me bitching about it all....ho ho ho...
Some Serious People Care what happens, and don't ,to this place, for reasons of Their Own...the word iz the developah wants it all on the fast track, presure, pressure...
Their are also allegations of gross disregard
of historical criteria for preservation
ignored. I would guess this is in regards to Exmoore. But who knows? The promises for the Monument were also extremely vague. The
latest evalution had that as a resource
actually endangered by this development.
What is good for saving history? What are the wiser decisions to make as a generation
to leave the next? What is smart development , what is zoning? When is commerce bad, when is {actual] conservatism Good?
When does the common voice finally get
it's point on record? Before all the rammed
through, backroom ballrub fuck-fix deals
that are NEVER UN-Doable in this country..
When?
Halcyon Hall is to me a boxer who just won't go Down...a fighter who will never tap out.
is the like the publisher's clearing house IN REVERSE... you May Have Already LOST the
sweepstakes.....
to make them less liable for not tearing down
an unsafe building. The board will now officially demand of Louis Heithaus, the properties' developer, and David Blumenthal,
the developer, that they immediately tear down Halcyon Hall. Skip Ciferri seems to be leading the charge on that aspect. I am
unsure if Contento Corporation is still under contract for the demolition of Halcyon Hall.
Village Trustee George Whalen said
:We're all of the opinion now that safety is more important than expense...I think within the calendar year here we should have this figured out." All of a sudden, after 3 plus fuckin decades. safety compliance has suddenly become good for Business! Hoho ho...
The most obvious confluence of conflict of interests {banking, real estate, government]
Millbrook has ever seen Has Spoken.
NOW you can be SURE this fucking place will be demolished any day now!! Halcyon Hall may not see the freakin New year with the hardon the Village Board is fronting to rip this place down, indemnify themselves from liability or cost, get this project done while there is momentum, and ignore the lawsuit{s]
that might stand in the way of the program.
The developer published a guest column in the local weekly periodical to state his final position, promises, the history of his compliance and seeking common ground with his detractors, etc. He claims neighboring properties values will actually INCREASE [lol!...] due to this development.
This paper gave the developer a big fat wet sloppy kiss. Their was perhaps one line in The Editor's own statement on the topic that
even seemed at all concerned, and that only in regards to the Planning Boards handling
of the ongoing proceedings, which has subjected them to lawsuit{s} on the matter.
In other words, they might mea culpa on PROCEDURAL aspects of this fiasco, and the SUBSTANCE of contention is irrelevant
and already decided.
A local resident, eager for demolition,
expressed her fear of the unsafe condition of the building.
Quote: "Kids are going in there and shooting music videos" ! She discovered some on the internet. LOL!!!!
Hell, she should send Me the freaking links, I should have thought of that for my own
rok n' role combo, ha ha....
The dates of demolition are being determined immediately in conjuction with Millbrook's Building Inspector, Ken McLaughlin.
As the first blanket of heavy snow covers
the hudson valley, i'd guess this weekend would be the best last time to photograph
Halcyon Hall. I'd bet it will disappear before
it is ever seen without snow on it again.
This first storm of the year is a heavy one,
the better to blanket Halcyon to sleep finally.
There will probably be more lawsuits.They
probably will not matter. But who knows?
The Law is the Biggest Business there is in Dutchess County in many ways....
Merry Christmas Halcyon Hall....
and Cheers All!
www.nhapeakfoundation.org is our website
allowing the project to proceed, based upon
'procedural errors, insufficient, and erroneous information."
Among the boards blunders were their failure to include the DEC as an involved agency. They also failed to adequately
address impact on two protected streams on the property. This oversight occured in
the developers plans by being ignored as if they do not exist. The same goes for the Exmoore mansion, which IS a historic property, and can be clearly demonstrated to be so. They just pretended it does not exist.
The State Historic Sites Restoration Coordinator has declared Exmoore was not even on the submitted site plans, and that changes in the plan would be required to mitigate the proposed development's impact
on this historic property.
There is also a huge problem relating to water supply, storm runoff, etc that have not been adequately adressed by the developer
in their proposal.
The NYS DEC declared the negative declaration [allowing the proposed development to go forward] be rescinded or amended immediately.
The developer has expressed surprise at this
turn of events, having recently seen the process go pretty much their way despite
overwhelming opposition to this development.
So the race to tear down local history is slowed once again.and not just because of no one dotting I's or crossing T's.
There are serious problems with the substance of the plan on commercial,
environmental, and legal grounds, and the
disgraceful, unethical if not illegal actions
of the board in trying to ram through this
fiasco only underscores their complicity in
trying to defy the public will and interest as
it relates to the gateway to the community.
Send in the lawyers, ho ho...
travel east from poughkeepsie ny on rt 44,
come to the light at the junction of rt 44,
county route 82, and county route 343.
Bennett is diagonally northeast from the light, it IS RIGHT there, in winter you can even see it. I am astonished when people can't seem to locate the place! I would discourage people from going in there, you in all probability could be arrested, and it is extremely unsafe anyway.
but what the hell? i enjoy all of your tresspassing adventures vicariously, since
it is certain that if I, pat ratchet, were caught doing so, they would throw the proverbial book at me, with extreme prejudice, for reasons that are crystal clear to anyone who's read previous posts, and for even more
reasons that will never be made public.
In the interest of full disclosure, i must relate
that a signifigant portion of the info i have posted the last 3 and a half years came directly from The Millbrook Round Table.
Through my No-Bullshit lens, of course.
But The Millbrook Round Table has just gone Out of Business. Announced Tuesday, The last issue comes out Tommorrow. Taconic Press, its' publisher has gone bankrupt.
7 other Dutchess County papers under the Taconic umbrella will also fold as a result.
The Millbrook Round Table's demise seems sadder and more shocking I suppose, because all of Taconic's offices countywide
were located in Millbrook; not to mention that it was published continually since the 1890"s.
in terms of sourcing, i have lost my main source of info on proceedings about Halcyon / Bennet. My supplementary conduits derive mainly from discrete gossip
amongst individuals and entities in local construction, real estate, business, and
legal circles. So it could be awhile before
I am able to provide any more scuttlebutt,
as I am prone now to wind down my muckraking, rather than ratcheting it up, so...
let's just say that the local paper going bellyup is a dream come true for the proposal before Millbrook to develop Bennett College. despite their having been practically cheerleaders for the entire scenario, they
were the only check at all on any
of these developments.
for myself on personal level, i am ready this year to become visibly active on my project on James E Ware & Sons, Architects.
I intend to give lectures locally, in anticipation
of publishing material on the subject.
Halcyon Hall and it's history wil be among the centerpieces of these presentations,
as it is within the architects ouevre.
Perhaps this could put a more public face on
Halcyon's continuing saga.
What would be pretty cool is if the Millbrook board decided to not sell the building But start something like a "Adopt a room" project where famlilies that want to see the building restored and stand for a few hundred more years can donate money to renovate the rooms. Or even to demolish the woodwork, and rebuild it to what it once was and open it as a museum, or since the place does have so much history now. Im sure reopening it as a hotel would attract many people. It cant be to hard to go by all the maps on the internet ive found to make blueprints of the building again
we walk them to the window which we entered and they left. we walk up to the 3rd floor and hear a louder creek. we stopped and went dead silent. All of a sudden we hear-Step, step, step, step, BOOM!!" the door in front of us slams shut, it took us 5 minutes to get where we were it took us 2 minutes to have ran all the way through the building, get out and run to the daycare parking lot and leave. it was crazy
Now I run a civil and environmental engineering company that has worked on redeveloping some large, old abandoned properties. I can tell you from firsthand experience that Bennett is done. Whatever it once was, it cannot be put back together. If the developer is willing to pay $4M for the facility as a tear-down, then the cost of restoring Halcyon Hall alone must be several times that. Until you have done the work of putting one of these sites into useable condition, you really can’t understand the economics of it. This building CAN’T be restored. If it were right back in the condition it was in the seventies, it would still need to be torn apart and refurbished to be useable now. The plumbing, heating, and asbestos issues in the photos I have seen online alone would crush the project.
My experience has been that lots of casual onlookers want these types of “grand old buildings” restored because they make nice scenery as they drive past and local folks get very sentimental for the way it was back when, but very few of these people will ever put a dime to the massive cost of rebuilding it. If you think that Halcyon Hall would work as a hotel, then you haven’t done the math. If the place charged more than high end Manhattan hotels and was full every night, it would take decades to make even a meager ROI on rebuilding it. “Adopt a room?” That idea will work if people will pay a couple of hundred K per room and the rooms would have to be demolished and rebuilt anyway.
From what I have read (and I was sad to hear that the Round Table had folded) there are only two likely paths for Bennett. If the town is lucky, a developer will turn the property into something viable that retains some features of its past architecture. If you can’t find somebody to do that, or if well-meaning, but overly sentimental folks drive the developers off, then the ruin will end up as municipal property (town or county) and will crumble slowly for decades. I have seen way too many properties like this where passionate folks with good intentions run off the developers, celebrate their righteous victory, and then gripe for years after about why nobody will do anything with the ruin.
It is really sad to lose such a distinctive property, but Bennett failed as a college and nobody came up with a viable use for it over the last 30 years. If there was one, it surely would have surfaced during one of the real estate booms during those years.
And take it easy on the cranky caretaker. I knew him in high school and he was a nice (if somewhat intense) guy.
the science building is 33 years old and was never used. i imagine the roofs are compromised, and therefore there is probable water damage.Perhaps not too
bad though,? as the building has a steeply sloping roof. It was considered a modern structure in 1976.
it is slated for demo under the pending development proposal.
the house shown on flickr was faculty housing. it was to be saved under the pending proposal, although to be moved
elsewhere on the property.
to wanderer- there still is no hard date set
on halcyon's demo, despite all the [wrong!]
PREDICTIONS I HAVE speculated on this board! i try to be up to date, and the halcyon saga has been as byzantine a story as there
ever has been in the annals of American preservation, or, non- preservation, as it were.. I'd bet that by the fall? but i also anticipate many more lawsuits!!! LOL!...
so....David Sloan was right, all hope for this building was lost by about 1994 at the latest,
on a structural, business, and practical basis.
Millbrook is inching closer though, to a resolution. The village held a meeting adressing the issue of code compliance of unsafe properties. The legalese / wording of the law was changed. Barricading or fencing off an unsafe property will no longer be acceptable as a remedy for an unsafe structure. This is the first step towards requiring the demolition of Halcyon to comply
with building codes.The change in the law is being touted as a remedy to derelict properties throughout the municipality. Anyone making this assertion is Full of Shit.
You can tell them Pat Ratchet Said So!
It is aimed squarely at The Bennett property
Situation. It's the only derelict property in Millbrook, literally! Has anyone been their lately? Every property is way dialed in... Millbrook is so beauttiful on a scenery basis.....
I would predict the blumenthal plan is dead in the water. In many ways that is unfortunate,
as THEIR PLAN DID PROVIDE FOR SOME PRESERVATION. The village may now be forced to demo out of compliance. This will cost millions, trust me. And that is before all the kickbacks that will be required. Anyone who denies that is a liar.
The positive end will be public safety [that is, if the asbestos is removed properly, WHICH IT NEVER IS!!! anyone who says it is, can ALSO BE INCLUDED ON MY LIST OF LIARS.]
With Halcyon gone, perhaps proper development could occur, as opposed
to the sledgehammer job that probably would have ocurred. Existing properties will be able to be free of the hindrance this adjacent
problem has visited upon them.
That the property would not be SO heavily overdeveloped is probably the smart concern.
Which must be balanced against the fiscal requirement of the village to have some plan
for the eventual disposition of this property.
Not to mention the actual owner of Halcyon Hall.
this has all gone on so much longer than anyone would have foreseen.
i do believe this year that their will be some resolution of alot of these matters, and that the building will be demolished sometime in 09. but i have been wrong before, haven't I heh..heh...
thanks as always Motts, for doing the things you do, the way you do them...
shameless plug: look for a pat ratchet guest column in the Poughkeepsie Journal ANY DAY NOW, about historic preservation.! ok....
I can hear Karen Black now, "I've been waiting for you Ben"!
Having been in every inch of that building, I can tell you it was amazing and should have been taken care of.
On a separate note, I have ( and I believe all graduates got or had the chance to get) a beautiful watercolor o the main building when we graduated . I have it in my home and when ever I look at it i remember sun bathing and running around on that great front lawn and looking up at that great building!
I hope someone can save it!!!!!
I imagine that this is a house where a princess would be inside, sleeping for 100 years, then waiting to be kissed awake (by me of course! - no, I am not a frog, that is another fairy tale).
I searched Google for "millbrook old house mansion derelict" and found this site - now I know what this house is about
I will post here once I have my pictures online - will create a photosynth from it.
http://photosynth.net/...7554052307&p=0:0
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She was interning at a Poughkeepsie radio station where I worked.
I will never forget this grand building. Walking into the main room, well stocked with lovely young things, was like being on a movie set.
I've only grown more fond of old architecture and young girls over the years, the vanishing of both from this site breaks my heart.
There is a 1965 Bennett yearbook in my collection with about 141 Seniors that year.
www.simcenter.org/PDFs/Millbrook_Photomontages-web.pdf
It appears as though you brought your very own baggage along when you tried teaching at Bennett. The President of the college was actually a quiet, unassuming guy and there were no more "self-serving" faculty members than one would find in any college anywhere.
I think most of the people who are willing to offer comments here are expressing their opinions about a great architectural structure being allowed to fall into dismal ruin and certainly not the vindictive assault of one
"unhappy camper."
It has been an ongoing tragedy to see this beautiful, venerable institution fall into ruin. But this did not happen by itself. Perhaps what was needed was a strong and capable person to assume the responsibilities of leader, rather than a "quiet, unassuming guy".
but the problem is that i am only 13 and i live in the u.k....i think it is a bit far! Mum said we can go one day when i am older if it is still there!!! would we be able to go inside for a peeck? If people(the young ladds) were peckish could they go and get something to eat or would thay have to wait for someone?
i wished i lived in the U.S.A!!!
Nice article written here. I got to know a few more things about the topic
We talk, but never about Halcyon Hall. It is very good for us and the people around us that we do Not!!
It is just as well, as there is nothing to discuss, really; The development plan went down the tubes, for many
of the previously discussed reasons, and some newer ones; our current
general economic conditions seem to have been the final nail, though...
no one is going to build condos that no one will [or can] buy!
halcyon's demise will now be the village's [considerable] problem;
it is ready to fall down in several places, and when there are partial collapses, Millbrook WILL then move forward with at least partial demolition, i can assure you of that.
i've said it before, but, the place does not have much longer
i will go out on yet another limb, and say between summer and fall
of this year, the double bay windows on the central front facade will
collapse. i honestly don't think this building will remain much longer
still,....... you got to admire the tenacity, if a building can be said to have such a quality....
let it fuckin rot, beautifully, forever, i say.....
i was one like everyone else in and from Millbrook who kind of let all this happen, really...
but, saving places like these is HARD, and Almost always impossible. Motts SO fuckin Rocks for reminding us, but also for
giving us a little glimmer, in the loss, of the things that last forever ...
That national economic circumstances kiboshed the condo mania
that was proposed for the site, at least, is good for Millbrook, in my opinion.
Very little of that proposal would have gone to local contractors, and if
so, then the usual suspects. Anyone who denies this... welll...
actually, you probably know where to reach me, lol.....so, whatever...
Resulting business for the village from the temporary jobs would spike a bit, but not long before the village as a municipality would
see insane, Westchester-like inflation of taxes to pay for the state mandated infrastructure, education, etc. required upon the
new expansion of the village population. It is SO such a diminishing
return..at least this specific proposal for this specific town..
Do we have to ruin everywhere? Are there some places where we can just say no to making sure it becomes just like everywhere else?
Can we just let some fucking places BE, Voluntarily!?
Don't worry, eventually Millbrook will face this same scenario all over again. This developer, that developer. This mayor, that mayor.
I have watched it go on for decades.
I have watched this place be used over and over again in collusion by players in local government, banking, and real estate, to further their own agendas.
over half the time their scenarios go down in oblivion, but it never seems to stop them from hitching up again. I continue to be amazed at how much even I underestimate them all.
Honestly, other than letting it beautifully rot forever, i wouldn't mind
watching it explode , like something out of a Ridley Scott movie.
To smithereens, like they say. That would be cool.
Now it is the town's problem. The piper always gets paid.
as it were.... but, here goes..
the bennet college / halcyon hall property has been under order of demolition since mid spring 2010. By the village. To the Owner.
The matter is being decided by an independent arbitrator, who will
decide the matter[whether it must be torn down immediately out of
[long overdue] compliance, in the eyes of "the law", OR -whether there
is a "case'' to be made for it's reprieve, to be selectively ? demo-ed
later, as part of.... The Blumenthal Brickmann proposal!... Which is
still alive, and probably the central defense of the owners AGAINST
immediate demolition, that is being waged in legal forums as I write...
I have obviously been totally WRONG. Rumours of the Blumenthal Brickmann proposal's demise have been Greatly Exagerrated!
By me. Not only me, BUT-On that count I am an Idiot. Mea Culpa. If I were the first to ever jump to conclusions on the topic,
i might feel a bit chastened, but... obviously... Not.
So this proposal is still the scenario, and on a strategic level, it has been fortunate for it that the economy dived, and the snagzone these
things always go through occurs now when any work is good work to anyone anywhere...EVENTUALLY Someone is going to be tearing this place down, and building Something here. Sooner than later if up to the village. Which to demand full remission for that demo would
bankrupt pretty much anyone in the post Bernie-M era, right? So let's get real. No One is going to be Owed Money to do this.Not the owner!
NOT THE VILLAGE! That's why they are demanding Demo!! It Costs Millions of Dollars to wreck somewhere like this.No matter what any municipality's Laws say. And on that count, there are Bigger Things that need to be, compelled, to.. move in the right direction, as they say,
if you want AnyThing to happen, either way.
This place will be torn down as PART OF A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL. Period. This one was the one on the table, before the..first signs of the
decline of the American Empire, as it were... The Chinese Century,
many are now, openly, calling it.. I tend to agree with them, quietly.
If I owned this place, and had a development scenario in place,then they told me in 2010 I gotta tear it all down, at my own expense,
I'd tell the Village of Millbrook, to kiss my Dutch Irish ass. And whoever the hell else was , like ..SUING me! And I would prevail in court, too bubba. Even if i were Wrong.
I could elucidate about 5 or 6 very compelling reasons why, but I am not in the legal employ of the owners, developers, or legal counsel of Halcyon Hall... [yet?]
heh. heh...
Who knows? That may be my new schtick. We must tear down, so that we can "save".!
To Preserve, we Must Destroy.!
The Hudson Valley Society for Historic Demoltion!
There are no "sides" on whether this place will/ might/ could/ should
be torn down.I don't think their are villians, or any heroes either.
Just the simple human failures of generally good people ,from a very
lucky , interesting, and splendidly anachronistic locale, long after somewhere special like this should have lasted anyway, it seems, into our...stulted new century.
So.. how's that for irony? Are you against immediate, indiscriminate
demolition of Halcyon Hall, for whatever goddamned reason? Then
these developers, for now, are your best and only hope!. Ha ha...
Their original plan called for Some Preservation. Who knows now,
but to selectively demo Costs More
At this point i think it's just a bunch of fucking lawyers making money
off this place year after fucking year! it is hilarious!
So I am now available to the highest bidder as historic detail consultant, either side. Preserve, Destroy? It's all the same to me!
I'll bolster your case like a James Carville of Preservation...or maybe a Dick Morris of demolition, depending on ..um, your tastes, or politcal..persuasions or whatever, lol...I don't care anymore, pay me .
Forget the Possibilities:
Let's ALL collude & push the case that IS Going to Happen! All aggrieved parties will be compensated based on the merits of their individual cases anyway, some truly historically signifigant, most mundane and routine, yet serviceable in the grand scheme of millions of dollars that are gonna pour into this goatfuck, so let's everybody get a piece of the action!, THat's what lawsuits are all about! It's what they are for...It's your history too folks!!! So,Step right up! Get Litigious! [souds like a wild dance craze...]
We can't go wrong, in fact, let's ratchet up a whole fuckin hornet's nest of new, and esoteric, and expensive,
and stupid lawsuits on both "sides" to exploit
The freakin Inevitable. Why not? It's creates more work for lawyers. I love lawyers!
They Protect Us FromThe Law. I just think they gotta start spreadin the
wealth when it comes to this"Presvation/ Heritage schtick. I love the classic cinema of the 70's, but I've seen this movie before...
In Adjusted dollars, fthe legal fees squandered over the Dozens of [mostly now forgotten, many current] Lawsuits since 1977
related to this property
could have covered at least Halcyon's stableization!. Take a bite a that!
What was achieved from all that waste of money, legal expertise, etc
over the last 34 years?
Many millions spent to have Nothing, instead of millions spent to have Something. Which tells anyone who is awake Exactly what is wrong
with the values our national culture has embraced. It is embodied in the closing of schools {?!} while we unquestionably fund Permanent War. No matter who get's "elected"...
ok, [thanks motts, for
indulging my
sarcasm]
i don't see anyone spending the ten million dollars to tear it down
any day soon, regardless of what legal edicts are issued, ya know?
i predict collapse, a lightning strike, etc. which will then force
some entities' hand to BEGIn demo...
i really do prefer my scenario of it being blown up violently as part of the climax of some big budget movie. Gets rid of the problem,
in a way that lives on forever, generates income, but doesn't require
ruining the site forever after with shit/faux tudor condos and such.
It's perplexing to me why not, America has become known primarily at this point as a people who are best at Blowing Shit Up. And making
Major Motion Pictures about Blowing Shit Up.
Someone get hold of Ridley Scott's Location Scouts!
I am completely serious, I am baffled this has not been a location for film, print ,photo,rock video[[that last one may change soon! heh he..]
Kill-joys.
My bet is on an eventual - very spectacular - fire.
I did not say "accidental."
must begin demolition, under compliance with building codes.
so in about 20 days, it will ostensibly become public information exactly when this building will be [ordered to be] torn down.
In other words, probably soon. But who knows?
please keep us on this issue
physical plant of the college? it is square and concrete, it's roof was a small parking deck. It contained the upgraded [from the 1920's]
utilities for the school. There used to be a giant smokestack that was torn down in the late 1980's.It was probably the ugliest addition to the campus ever, that landscaping never quite mitigated.
nice that you were able to see it again while it all still stands. That is a pleasant time to visit Millbrook.
Not so sure I'd be around when they begin to demo, or that I'd want to be really. I'd bet that Johnny Kading will be there to photo or film that
process, something he has always done when Millbrook tears
down its' history.
The only interesting thing about that would be the ability to see
Halcyon cut in section, however briefly, as they demo. That is, to see
the interiors as they have not been seen, since they were being built
almost 130 years ago. Winding backwards, as it were, from profane
physical fact , back finally, to an ideal on a piece of drafting paper.
Architecture still exists even after it physically disappears.
From a dream in someone's imagination, now back to a dream in
our collective memories. These are the things that draw me, and most of us
i think, to these buildings in the first place. Mott's photos seem to capture that sense of connection particularly well, I think.
From the first moment I laid eyes on this structure, it has captivated me in every possible way. I've been able to think of little else than this magnificent building and what it must have been like in it's glory days. (I will begin studying architecture in the spring semester of 2011, so naturally these things intrigue me.)
It's a real shame to see Halcyon in this state. It [is] truly a flagship example of the architecture of its time. I would give anything to see it restored (as impossible as that is) to its former glory. I hope it's still standing...I am pretty sure to be visiting the East Coast in the spring or early summer and will definitely drive to NY (Even just to glimpse it from the road).
I'm glad I stumbled across this site. I've found so much about Bennett and Halcyon over the past 3 days-so much more than I could ever have hoped for. It sounds like the kind of place fairy tales are made of. Thanks everyone for the pictures and stories! History oozes from this wondrous place...it's legacy will live on whether Halcyon stands physically or not.
(Thanks especially to Pat Ratchet for keeping tabs on the situation! I just hope Halcyon will still be standing when I visit next year.)
as it enters its' 119th year, halcyon hall continues to defy the odds
it continues to fascinate and amaze more people everyday, locally,
and "online" as it were
i have seen it recently described as "the most beutiful abandoned
building in America" {!} maybe? i would not Disagree...
forward, minus Blumenthal. It is uncertain who are the new partners, if any. The previously involved Blumenthal has complained that over
one million dollars have been spent thus far on the approval process,
also citing having to defend against "propagandists" on record as being actively against this development....ho ho ho....the old
"it's the medium, not the message" reverse- McLuhan-esque
strategy......
yeah, well if it was only bloggers lamenting lost americana that stalled this wildly troubled development scenario, i would willingly
cry uncle, or Demo, or tapout, or whatever...
but it's heavier hitters than that, The Village of Millbrook, the developers of this proposal, and the owners of Bennett College are the focus of a lawsuit by Oakleigh
Thorne, namesake of neighboring Thornedale. His suit thoroughly
refutes the decisions, findings, and approval by the village board
in greenlighting this project in it's presented, and frankly, incomplete state. They ignored streams, neighboring historic properties,
easments for access to existing condominiums, not to mention
ignorance and non-registration with the DEC as an involved agency,let alone actual Compliance with those Laws.
The Tice lawsuit against the same, continues, with calls now for
the demolition of not just Halcyon, but the Theatre complex north
of the Exmoore mansion. Claims of lowered property value are being claimed for this small elegant mansion, amid multiple derelict ruins.
It is hard to argue against.
The theatre complex was part of the original Hotel's stable / farm complex. It's siting on the crest of a hill made it's [late 50's? early 60's?] conversion to a small theater a natural fit. It's layout was remarkably like the public recreation pavillions of Newport, and
NJ, that were called casinos, before the gambling function overtook that term. In the late 19th century it referred to all manner of large,
pavillion like buildings, but particularly structures that acommodated
a fair number of people, encouraged a promenade type flow of movement and interaction, and, unlike today, encouraged the
enjoyment of the outdoors, featuring porches, verandas, balconies
etc.
I could go on, but why? what a mess, it's depressing, right?
The Theater complex is claimed to be possibly hazardous / contaminated, etc nb lah blah blah blah
The gvt agencies won't pay to inspect and confirm the property
is unsalvageable as a [heh heh ] Historic Property {!}
[they play that History card real funny when they want,, huh? Usually, only
when it means they don't have to Do Something!!! lol.....
when someone says tear it down, it will be by gvt decree
I predict a call for the teardown of the Science Building in 2011
for the exact same reasons, and if only for the domino theory
for this property.
But as we have seen over and over,anyone can decree any law to order someone to spend a zillion dollars to kill a headache, it simply
does NOT mean that that will be DONE. By ANYBODY.
I can tell you I killed JFK. It doesn't mean it;s True, any more than
claiming Santa Clause is real,the moon is made of sharp Swiss cheese,and the image of Jesus regularly appears mysteriously burned into the taco shells of a small mexican restaurant in Val Verde,
California.
Or, as Judge Judy says - " What your saying doesn't make sense;
If it doesn't make sense, it isn't TRUE!"....
this whole Thing has completely "Jumped The Shark", as they say,
in the Boardrooms of Hollywood Studios that make movies that no one wants to see
so Halcyon survives, yet. A dozen decades.
ok! happy new year all,
& Motts, you Rock!!!
I feel myself overwhelmed with emotion while pondering the history of the facility, and of all the countless lives affected by this magnificent structure. I cannot imagine why any anyone would want it demolished.
In light of at least three current lawsuits objecting to the approval
of this development, it has been estimated that the appeals of those suits may freeze the project for several years.
This, alas, is no reprieve for Halcyon. It's impending demolition
is ostensibly to be carried out by the developer, an indication of their confidence that they will prevail in court, or just pay a monetary fine
or concession for the procedural irregularities leading to the
approval of this project. Just added into The cost of doing business, as it were....
So that's about as official as it gets....
demolition permits have not yet been obtained.
But Halcyon Hall is coming down this time, I believe.
Here in South Wales in the UK, we have many historic and beautiful places falling into disrepair and it's a crying shame that councils and local authorities plug all their efforts and tax payers money into horrendously ugly (and unnecessary) new buildings rather than maintaining and restoring the fascinating, abandoned buldings that are already here.
End of rant :-)
up on the situation is right here, at mott's opacity!
between even the Best of Today's Skilled Craftsmen, and the
BadAss ARTISTS who built places like Halcyon Hall!
Not to denigrate the many amazing craftsmen I have worked with, alongside, or for; but the guys who worked practically everday for almost three years, mostly employees of Mead & Taft, from Cornwall NY [and many of whom previously or subsequently moved to Millbrook]
were on another level entirely, not just from today's artisans, these guys blew away most of their talented peers of the cream of the crop of 1893!
My fascination with architecture in general abounds from the
ambition of execution, from an incredible idea, to an even more profound fact of material realization.Someone has to actually
commit- "OK We know guys..... that can DO this"'.......
Irregardless of the genius of a James Ware, or the wild mad
patronage of a Henry J Davison Jr, or the industry of a Mead & Taft,the fact that people could execute
this stuff at such an exceedingly high level, on demand, at a Market Rate,....and SO fast.... much of it on site. Today it would be an
extraordiinary, remarkable thing to even attempt., let alone pull off. In the Gilded Age it
was ROUTINE.And my point has nothing to do with the obscene amount of capital expenditure that made it possible - the amazing thing is how GOOD these guys
were. THe Interior details have been reduced to memories going on almost 2 decades now. But jesus... this place was spectacular.
A stellar production, in every way, only a glimpse of which has survived, even from my own earliest memories.
but JW is right in his own way, I guess... it is certainly a health hazard,
I would not enter without the best respirator mask possible, you'd be
MAD, CRAZY to do so without. Let alone the collapse hazard, etc etc.
And the Millbrook cops will definetly bust your ass, no doubt. Or they'll try, if they are bored. Could be a decision based on doughnuts, but it won't matter if they roust your ass ,right? And they will. So I would totally advise against tresspassing, at least in this paragraph dedicated
to trying to identify with the JW point of view.
ok, enough of that. whew.....ouch that hurts.....
where many people differ is whether it should have been torn down years ago, and what constitues an eyesore.
in my artistic opinion, the place looks pretty darn cool covered in winter snow. ....in the summer...ahhh, not so hot... like a cicada shell!
but i think cicada shells are cool, see? the inevitability of nature, and all that. maybe it takes a viewpoint beyond the here and now.
modern kulture seems so transitory, here today, gone later today...
we don't like to see anything age, yet everything today is about raiding the past. All Hollywood movies are remakes of TV, Broadway has been
reduced to raiding comic books and emo rock for a ticket lure.
Halcyon Hall will be replaced by {shitty] fake Tudor style condos,
Raiding the pAst is called postmodern. I call it fucking Stooopid!
but, really, at least in terms of scenery, [fuck real estate, i could give a rat's ass!] who has it hurt all these years to have a magnificent ruin
as a living reminder of what was once a unique and splendid place?
i can guaran-freakin-tee you it was / is / and will be preferable to
what is coming down the pike! Streetlights! Sidewalks! Etc Etc Et Fuckin Cetera! let's make everywhere look like everywhere else!!!!!
sometimes the life of a work of art, just like the people who create it,
includes it's inevitable decline, perhaps beyond the point that is comfortable for its' audience. Does that say more about art or its'
[sometimes reluctant] public?
The Walkway Over The Hudson was deemed by many self appointed experts to be "unsalvageable". Even after that phallacy was disproven, they attacked the economics of [at least] the tourist boost expected.
They have had to shut the hell up about that since it has been a like the effect of a fucking bomb of commerce and revenue for businesses everywhere in the vicinity of the brigde many called
an "eyesore". I am in no way suggesting any hope for Halcyon to that effect. it is over for Halcyon.And i fully expect the mention to raise the hackles of people who are still OPPONENTS of the walkway [ya know, get over it, it's like saying I'm An Opponent Of Bear MOuntain PArk, Dammit!" What the hell is the matter with you?!? It's There, It's Cool, It's Fun, It cost less than to Demo It,which would have been A good expenditure to you? What the hell is the matter with people who kneejerkingly oppose any government spending at all , except, you know, multiple ruinous wars,bailouts
for Wall street crooks, and monopolies that are "too big to fail"?
My point is: Christ, people seem in a real rush to tear these goddamned places down, long before it is the dire necessity
they seem hellbent on enforcing! Relax! Enjoy the freaking scenery, will ya? It'll be gone soon enough, don't worry, you'll all get your way.
after 34 years, enforcing it's building code regarding unsafe buildings,
which Halcyon is indisputably. The owner has agreed to demolish
the original hotel/ school portion, and if I'm not mistaken, the other
derelict structures, including the science building, as well as the two
frat / faculty type houses. The theater on the hill is supposedly on
reserve as a possiblly "historic' resource, because there is no funding
to inspect it, despite plaintiffs in one of several lawsuits offering to
pay for an independent inspector.
Tearing down this building is a Tremendous job, and very expensive.
I cannot imagine the owner doing so without some expectation that
the development proposed for the property move forward.
the only website i know that keeps up to date on this is...Mott's Opacity!
Like you Wanderer, I no longer live in Millbrook, just visit. But if I lived
here or near,
Rather than lament history at this point, or hope for some sort of renewal, i think locals who care should be concerned with making sure that the demo and remediation of this property is done in
full compliance with the Law, and Safety Standards, most of which are
a freakin joke to begin with, but the only safeguard whatsoever
against Complete Disregard that there seems to be .
so this place is coming down, lawsuits will be resolved, the scope
and scale of the original project will be scaled way back, most if
not all plans for preservation of stonework, resiting of intact elements,
sympathetic recreation of historic roofline etc.- all that schtick
supposedly planned for for this development, will probably be
shitcanned first, hell, if i owned it i'd do it out of spite.
All the opponents
of this development simply made the whole thing more expensive.
But probably mitigated the too large scope of the original plan.
Damn history freaks don't want demolition.
But most people Against the development WANT Halcyon torn down.
It is an important distinction, maybe too subtle, But demolition is Inevitable, irregardless
of any current order, or whatever. On the other hand, a huge, uncharacteristic housing development at the entrance to Millbrook,
is NOT inevitable. In six months time there will probably be groundbreaking going on for SOMETHING here where Halcyon once stood.
what becomes a legend most? how do you replace a landmark?
here once stood_______
what will be there now?
this building was the economic engine that built Millbrook from
before 1892 through the 1970's, and that 'development' went
forward ALWAYS with a regard for the nature, well -being,
rural character, and sense of stewardship that was ALREADY THERE
in the village.
you got a hard act to follow, fellas......
it would just be more fuckin LIES, right? oops i'm swearing already
SORRY... but, uh... the Millbrook Independent tries to cover the scene,
but they can't seem to even deliver my subscription to me, so....
this month.
after 119 years, Halcyon Hall is beginning to fall down.
you can see right into the building now.
celebrate the larger architectural legacy it represents.
My book on James Ware has made major strides. I have the
assistance, input, and blessing of Ware's family, who are graciously providing me invaluable material and data, to supplement the tremendous amount that i have compiled for almost a quarter century.
I am about half through my manuscript, which i think tells a very compelling story, about innovation, progress, luxury, and social justice.
It is also very much a story about family.
I am in negotiations with multiple publishers, at least two of whom
have confirmed that they will find a home for this project, even if not with them.I have recieved the assistance of so many enthusiastic
researchers, historians, and institutions, it has been energizing
and a thrill to see it finally realized. It is deeply gratifying and very
humbling to be able to shed an appreciative light on what is
an almost hidden artistic legacy.
I have photographs of Ware and his charming family that are amazing.
Very photogenic, straight out of central casting...
This book is going to be magnificent, a quintessentially American, and even more quintessentially New York story.
Within the next year I hope to see it go into production.
It would be nice if it were before the Hall falls.
i have a feeling though, that they don't have anything worth reading about
on the topic, as they don't have any answers to any of this, any more
than the Village, or the owners, or you or I for that matter.
They can decree October, like some kind of Rapture prediction
all they want, right? Who's going to pay?
Are there behind the scenes deals being made?
The Village cannot pay.They have attempted to cover their ass by
condemning and ordering demo. Fair enough. When a higher
authority than the Village municipality is compelled to act based
on an immediate danger, maybe then you might see movement?
Who knows? How do you compel the owner to spend millions
to do this, without a guarantee of revival of the development
proposed? More lawsuits? It seems like the dozens of lawsuits
through the decades continue, and people just Pay for THAT...
pay the fines, whatever....Just the Cost of Doing Business
And then do whatever the hell is in their own best interests.
Which is what makes sense. That is what people do.
Maybe they are hoping for a bolt of lightning, decreed by Zues,
directly from Mount fuckin Olympus, who the hell knows?
I really prefer to let it Rot. I am totally serious. I think it looks cool.
I saw it in the early dawn mist this past weekend. It looked cinematic as hell. Just a scenic view.
I like ruins. But then I don't have to live next to it. But I also don't have any realistic ideas.
I have plenty of really fun stupid ideas.
How about fill and encase the thing in concrete, like Chernobyl.?
But make the exterior look like a sand castle.It would be like a
Millbrook version of Mt Rushmore.
Or use helicopters to douse the whole thing in phosphouresecent
glow in the dark paint. It will the scariest looking house ever.
Think big, like Spielberg or Ridley Scott There is a ton of cash to be
made out of this hulk, yet!! Where the hell are America's top film
location scouts.
I have many stooopid ideas, but they are all better to spend money on
than giving it to a bunch of freakin hump lawyers. Like, let it rot, or
shell out the cash to tear it down already! The whole legal aspect to this situation is a joke, the owner could easily claim selective enforcement after the village's failure to enforce code, for..DECADES.
so i don't think anyone involved at all is in any position at all to tell anyone else they Have to Do Anything really. Which explains the stalemate that exists. The lawyers have a field day, nothing gets done,
and everyone pats themselves on the back that they've complied with
"'the law"
They can try to adhere to the letter of the law [they can't] or even the spirit of the law [they won't] but in the meantime..
it's up to Gravity, baby!!....[or should that be down to gravity?]
october journey, or perhaps you will be around for it's scheduled teardown? we should meet up for a drink!
the ''collapse" so far is fairly small, i would not go so far as to call it contained
I personally just do not believe in prophecy, religious, political,
social, occultistic. whatever...And I am Guilty of engaging in exactly that when it comes
to the ongoing demise/status of this Landmark. But who can say?
I don't think anyone knows what is going to happen, unless they are
going to make it happen, and they are probably smart enough
not to give their opinion, like i do, recklessly, and to my detriment.
I honestly believe they are simply waiting for a lightning strike,
of the legitimate variety. Or the other kind.?
COMMENTING ON ALL OF THIS, is now costing me .
it has impacted me negatively, in ways that i am coming to grips
with now professionally, to post on Opacity, But I think anyone who might have their ass in a twist about anything I may bloviate about
here, already knows exactly Who Pat Ratchet is in the first place, and
whoever might have their ass in a bunch about whatever i pop off about, probably already knows what i would tell them to their face
anyway, and in many cases, already have. In a Gentlemanly way,
Of Course. Until i get ramparted up against people who are not
gentlemanly, in spirit or style. Then it is just irresistable to
post onto Mott's badass, nakedly honest forum, and say what we all know is true anyway.So I really don't care. Anyone who tries to
marginalize my enterpriise and sometimes take credit for what is not their own research, is already being disregarded, because I no longer
need what they could have provided;and didn't, others, on the fence. I appreciate
their raw data, and envision some eventual collaboration.
It may not necessarily be who or what people might think I refer to
in these terms
But make no mistake that my project is the abso-fucking-lute
thoroughly definitive account of the topic at hand, in ways that you cannot imagine, and frankly in ways i myself could not have imagined.
I got a little bit of a way with words, and this story writes itself, baby,
so you add up the age, and do the math. But that is even before the holy grail of the topic, just opened up , like a rain of gold from the heavens themselves, a treasure delivered. Get as academic as you want,
you can't get this stuff there
the smart move for some of you would be to get on board, maybe in a way that would elevate your own position{s}, rather
than try to compete, and miss the train.
Many authorities , frankly, more esteemed than youreslves, already have, enthusiastically. It would be mutually
beneficial, for you.....or, whatever,,,it happens without you. Which I would prefer
not to prefer. If that makes sense. I'd prefer to serve the topic,
and complete the historical record. A bit of this post goes out
to who knows exactly what i'm talking about. To anyone else it probably sounds arcane, self important, and fairly stupid. Which in many ways it really is...whatever...it has worked before, why change now?
I appreciate your indulgence Motts, more than i can sarcastically
acknowledge, but it has been too effective for me to resist.
My admittedly smartass delivery should not be misinterpreted.
I just seem to identify with Opacity as place where ...
You have gotten away with something. And take risks to do so.
Far more than posting about it. But to get away with anything,
means nothing , in light of what has been taken from all of us,
which is our physical and social heritage. You have managed
to come through that with a body of work that manages to create
a new heritage, that is beyond commemoration. Your photos
are compelling on all of these levels, from documentary to
acaemic. But there real appeal and continual attraction, is their
own contained artistic sense of contemplation, unencumbered by
the considerable hardship and endeavour required
to make them real in the first place
I would posit that i still would not change my half decade of ranting,
besides maybe cleaning up my language, thank you wanderer for reminding me ...we may never beat these swine, but we don't have
to join them but often, only the right word, is the right word?
the real hero here is Motts, I am overdue in my continual thanks/apology, for what you do, and for letting me get away with
Freakin murder on your site [see, I'm getting better, trying not to swear..]
I've tried to follow alot of your links, from what i can gather here and there, you have an asshole like pat ratchet on just about all of your
signifigant photographed properties!
Please do not stop what you do, to me it is a Fr##$%^&ing;
artistic revolution.
OK!
"a state of emergency", whatever that means. The village board
passed a resolution declaring that the owners/ and or developers
of the [still very much alive] condo proposal must pay to secure fencing
around the property, or the village would do so, and charge the owner the cost on their next tax bill.
The developers have said "Nah...." The owner will probably
just pay that fee as the ongoing cost of doing business as usual.
It's what i would do, too.
The village talked tough about fencing it all off within 48 hours,
and declaring that there are 2 [two] police officers who patrol the
grounds 24 hours a day.
I can assure you that is Malarkey, of the Millbrook variety. Those
edicts were issued over a month ago, and the property has no fence
around it, allowing yours truly to visit on a dramatic early morning,
without any inteference or sighting of these intrepid guardians;
would they be on the public payroll? if so, you should get your money back folks. Or maybe they were just on a donut run. In any event, no one
has ever stopped anyone from going here, if they really want to find a way.. Which I would recommend against, not just for legal reasons,
but the fact that it is extremely hazardous to do so. The place really is
very very unsafe.
The village board appealed to the attending press [does that really exist anymore?] to publicize the danger of tresspassing here.
They claim to be trying to counter the signifigant online sourcing
of Halcyon as an underground exploration locale {- Opacity freakin
RULES!!! lol....] and want to emphasize how risky it is now to tresspass here.
I agree with them.
With demo officially slated for October 1st, 2011, neither the owner
nor developer have filed legal permits to commence demolition of
Halcyon Hall.
Fine by me. I love magnificent ruins.
can't imagine it finally going down !!!!!!!!!!!!! your donut run remark is very funny and really thought the place was SECURE had me almost going OOOOOOh ! love your affront to the local mandates - HAH - I'll be sitting there with my own drink
and I'll drink to just about anything, ....still i got a feeling that
not a damn thing is going to happen here come Oct 1st.
the village cannot seem to follow through on any thing they have said
when it comes to the Bennet Complex.They are still in a bind about
perimeters for a "safety fence", ostensibly for teardown, but implied
to be in the interest of public safety, in other words, to deter the
wanton tresspassing the site is wildly infamous for.
suggested 100 ft perimeters are impossible in the back of the complex, adjacent to the existing condominium complex. To all
you tresspassers, this area is one of the more architecturally interesting,
at least on the exterior. Take some photos!! This part of Halcyon has been only rarely
seen online.Probably because it is where you are likeliest to be
rousted by law enforcement. But, hey I'd love to see photos,
i haven't been to that part of Halcyon in years, and I'm feeling downright Nostalgic just about now, summer nights, and all.....
the fencing issue is being raised to imply not only the legal implications of
a safety/security fence, but the hackle that will enevitably be raised by the actual demolition, and rightly so. Halcyon Village abuts the
original building at the service areas of the back of Halcyon, and the
impending or inevitable demo/collapse/disposition of this discarded wonder will be a major concern, to say the least
i'd prefer a convergence of ALL of my scenarios: encase the Victorian
hulk in Glow In The Dark paint, until Halloween, , then do a time elapsed film of it being struck by lighting and /or exploded as part of some extremely stupid big budget movie. I might be wrong, but i think it could make everyone feel better about everything! but then again,
i am an optimist, believe it or not
obviously what alot of people want is just the lightning strike, right?
to me that is a wildly irresponsible position to put the people
who'd respond to such a calamity into, but, hey, we all live under
the gun, right?
wanderer, stax, motts, and all, i always look forward to your
commentary and insight here on opacity. cheers!
- where to "Wander" next
decide on a bid for the fencing off of the perimeter of Halcyon Hall.
The choice is between American Fencing from Cambell Hall,
and A-1 Fencing of Wappingers.
I say go with A-1 Fencing! I Have done business for them in the
past, and they are always professional. Besides, BUY LOCAL folks!
heh heh he....
The cost of the fence will be charged as a lien on the real estate
underneath the 1892 Halcyon Hall.
Too bad that the demolition can't be paid for that way!!!
Annual taxes on the Bennett property wouldn't begin to offset the
millions required for complete teardown
and what of that ordered teardown, anyway?. With Oct 1st only 45
days away, it is unclear if any permit to do so has been filed by
anyone.
If I lived anywhere near here, i would be extremely concerned
about the massive contamination of the site, and whether, and how
much compliance there will be with remedial regulations.
Actually, ramming a chain link fence around the property is likely
the only power the Board has! At this point it is a PR move.
Let weekenders and locals alike enjoy thousands of yards of
urbanesque chain-link fence put up at the village's entrance just in time for the final dog days of summer! ho ho ho....
You think Halcyon looks like hell now? Just wait ...
There will THEN be an outcry for the owner and/or developer to
spend somebody's fortune to remedy the {now} uglified site, compelling the
board to... .hire more lawyers? to do what? confiscate the
property? which the village will have to pay for demo of, to be in compliance
with their own law.? Or they will sell it to someone who will?
Who?
Who on earth would submit to such a screwing? Who wants to waste Ten Million Dollars, without any guarantee of ANYTHING in the way of
preferred development rights, waived regulations, easements, etc?
Unless of course that kind of deal is in fact being made, in a, shall we say, UnPublic way?
So it is either more lawsuits [don't think they won't keep piling on
with those, this thing is a feeding frenzy right out of National Geographic] or....look for some kind of screwed up back room
sweetheart deal to happen. More than likely it will be alot of both.
I say come Oct 1st you won't see diddly squat as far as demo goes.
But what do I know?
When i was a kid, a chain link fence just made me want to access and explore even more, you know?
PS -Motts Rules!
" whistle while they work" - good work reporting Ratchet Man - will be there in 48 days - Stax V8 now your turn to comment ----
It's really not that difficult to secure a place (as large as Bennett or bigger) at a relatively low cost. Not many people in charge of that situation seem to really sit down and think about it.
for $11,000 to fence off Halcyon Hall.[Whatever happened to Buying Local?!]
It is to be erected in the first week of September.
Halcyon's owner is Louis Heithaus, but is represented as an entity
known as Bennet Acquisitions LLC, which has ignored court orders
of code compliance.The village retains the right to hold BA LLC in
contempt of court, but has not done so, as that action would still have
no immediate effect on the site's safety. There are obviously other reasons they have not done so, all indicative of the decades long
inertia of the village.
The village will later seek a court order for reimbursement. From
the same entity who has ignored all of their other court orders.
It's a waste of money! A move by the board to assert some measure,
Any measure, to appear as if they are in a position to show some kind of leadership, which they are clearly not.
The fence will not deter tresspassers, only encourage them
Slated to go up in 7 to days in early September, it is slated to
"stand through Bennet's scheduled demolition in October".
This fence will be nothing but symbolic of the village's
ABSOLUTE POWERLESSNESS here. Who's going to demo come October1st? I will ask again- WHO IS GOING TO DEMO HERE
COME OCT !st? You can't get the owner to comply with miniscule
procedural regulations. So is Millbrook going to proceed with demo,
and sue to recoup the cost? Sort of a cute "watch us get serious''
manuever over a ten grand fence, it's going to be a little bit harder
to ask villagers to swallow whole the SEVERAL MILLION IT IS GOING TO COST TO DO THIS, THAT IS< IF THEY ARE GOING TO COMPLY
WITH ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS.
So to tell people the fence will only be up for two months is a lie.
Unless the board has their OWN PLANS FOR DEMO.
Which to not tell their constituents about would be a lie by omission.
It is an election year in Millbrook.
Halcyon Hall looked very cinematic in the foggy summer twilight last night.
Like a Victorain haunted house.
incurable affliction, whatever angle you want to come at this from.
liking history, tradition, being an architecture freak, artists,
photographers, tech types, documentarian obssessives,
interest in abandoned places, sarcastic blogging, pointing out
the folly of governmental mentality in the shadow of Art, particularly the
unparralelled granduer of the absolute marriage of finance and art
represented by places that are historically spotlighted here on Opacity,
well... jeez there is is just alot to like about what you do here
motts
the enthusiasm of people's reaction, and the venue you maintain to
allow and encourage that is totally amazing, i am guessing you might get alot of heat about some aspects of your enterprise?
the ratcheted level of politic in most of my own posts at least, may
make things seem to be of a particular ideological slant for
this Halcyon forum at large, but i think it is great if people of differing views
post too, i think anyone who takes the time to notice any change at all in their immediate physical and cultural environment, for better or worse, is a good thing. No matter what one's views, and i think
skepticism is in short supply in general, so i always like to listen to people i disagree with. I wish there were more here, in theory at least,
not because i like to argue [I do] but because i wish someone out there has any suggestion about what to actually DO about somewhere
like Halcyon Hall....i've laid out my best scenario involving huge amounts of glow in the dark paint......
the idea that somewhere as amazing as this could exist so readily
out of nowhere, and be the engine that literally created Millbrook,
from a true folly of an idea.....that thisart was a routine feature oF
America 130 years ago, and to now see that TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO
GET RID OF IT, WILL NOW BANKRUPT SOMEONE, OR MILLBROOK ITSELF...
??? for once even a motormouth like me is speechless.
what happened to the nation that used to build intercontinental railroads, the hoover dam.?.......we used to BUILD shit in this country
dammit! what the hell happened??!! Now we CAN'T EVEN TEAR SHIT
DOWN
without everyone getting a screwing, except a few who profit.
this a lamentable feature of how things have flattened out
not just economically, but culturally as well.
i sat at the bar tonight and listened to a construction deal go down,
clearly a shady scumbag deal on the part of the individual in a
position to red or greenlight the proposal, and yet absolutely the cost of doing business for the honest, and hardworking contractors who
have to go through this corrupt ballrub BS that seems to have become
standard procedure here and everywhere else.
I like a little bit of corruption. You need some, to keep everything else honest. I get it. But it has become the OVERIDING FEATURE
of so called progress. Think about if today's graft applied to the
1891-93 construction of Halcyon" They'd still be building it!!!!!!!
the way i see it ..... we may never defeat these swine, but we surely don't have to JOIN them.....
we may differ politically, but you can't tell anyone who really wants to, that they may not enjoy the late summer stars on a balmy evening amidst the grassy splendor of a particularly enchanting little victorian corner of south millbrook....that has been going on here since before
1892 , and has never been contingent on anybody's goddamned
permission, anymore than the certainty that birds will fly and sing, young people will fall in love, and the sun will rise at dawn every morning.
put up all the fences you want to, people should and will continue to
do and go wherevertehell they want, here and everywhere else
in this goddamned country, as well they should. I am so sick of the RULE CRAZY
mentality that has been unquestionably embraced to the point of it
becoming the NATIONAL RELIGION!
I know there needs to be Laws, and Rules. Most reasonable people
try to follow most of them, and take thier chances on the rest.
JUST PLEASE STOP expecting people to WORSHIP your
F@#%ing Rules, OK?
ok, a cyberound for the house, on me!
It's easy and understandable to be passionate about something, especially something beautiful and meaningful that has been an institution for so many years.
Pat, your book on Ware sounds interesting. I enjoy reading the others' opinion here.
Perhaps, this weekend especially, Irene might make a contribution to the fate of Halcyon.
oh no never thought of Irene doing a number on Halcyon- first a fence and now a hurricane - ahhhh - in a few days we'll see
i don't think irene did much more than nature and gravity have all along
top floor dormers are beginning to cave in on most wings and gables,
though
it won't be long anyway you look at it
there has been talk of somehow trying to maybe preserve some of
the foundation's stonework, after all
out of a preservation standpoint, but also because it makes for less actual demo, lol!....sorta makes sense.
the independent is pretty behind the curve on the bennet
scenario. But I do not think they are a tool of the village government,
the way that the Millbrook Round Table was a mouthpiece for them
i like that the independent exists though, so i don't want to slam them
it WOULD be really great if they could actually deliver my
subscription, though. I only recieve about 1 out of 6 issues,
usually six weeks late
so, to me, their distribution OFFICIALLY SUCKS.
Anyway..there is still no fence around Halcyon Hall.
There are lawyers at work on both sides of this everyday, though.
At least someone is getting paid to do Something, eh?
i would still bet any amount of money that nothing is going to happen here oct 1
search under Bennett school or Halycon hall
and accurate pieces in recent memory. Glad that they got their info from
direct , informed sources.Covered a bit of history, and put the record straight about what alot of people DID try to do back when it was still
doable. Millbrook would have been enhanced once again by
what Halcyon Hall brings [brought?] to the village, instead of this
massively regrettable pain- in -the -ass- for everyone. But, it was not
to be. That's how it goes...
i think it is very important that people understand that there were
people, institutions, and interests that really did try very, very hard
to do what people advocate for here, when they see mott's amazing
photos of Halcyon. And that there was a window of opportunity,
and it sadly passed. It is an object lesson, for, and from, all perspectives
the village and the college always had a frosty relationship, as it
often is in these scenarios.
Timothy Leary probably didn't make that any easier , but did
make Millbrook a remarkably more culturally open and tolerant place.But when i was a little kid, i remeberer
the distinct identity of Millbrook as a college town, and the commerce
it brought to the village. Which dissappeard overnight in 77.
But before then, I remember the Old Millbrook, from my grandparent's
generation, from the old photographs, abandoned railroad lines,
the old slate stones in the tribute gardens,stories from older people
like Louise Tompkins, who told me so much about how amazing
and wonderful Millbrook's history was, and how important it all is.
Her regret was how little of it was photographed, that words
would not do these great things justice, some too wonderful and grand 'to be believed'...
the abundance of grand fairytale estates passed down through familys[.many of which i saw disappear like Halcyon surely will]
and the lingering past that surrounded one, that was very traditional,
and as close to a Norman Rockwell town that I can think of. And it
looked the part. Out of central casting.
Ms Bennett's progressive girls school was such a HUGE part of that
vignette, as was crazy HJ Davison's nutty hotel in the first place.
the antique boom became the post bennett focus for the village,
which pushed the [century old] weekender real estate phenomenon
into hyper celebrity overdrive, and now the business of Millbrook is
..... Millbrook itself.
so fencing is going up,but is Halcyon coming down? i doubt it will
very soon. but nothing makes somewhere nice look like #$%^
quicker than a bunch of chain link fence,right. ? Millbrook's real
estate cabals are horrified and drinking feverishly
as far as what replaces it all, i'll just throw it out there that the scenic
beauty of Millbrook and environs is what has made it attractive
from day one [described in the 1890's as resembling the Isle of Wight
and parts of Devonshire in the UK]
accordingly, they put something cool here to look at
whatever replaces it... try not to #$%^ it up, ok?
wanderer,hope you enjoy your visit, Millbrook is always beautiful in the fall. as you know. i'd venture you'll still be able to get some photos
of SOMETHING interesting here.
ok, cheers all
their only concern. All of those years, all of the young women who passed thru those halls, all of the lectures, plays, classes, receptions, achievements, problems, snow-covered lawns, friendships - the walls and stones and staircases and windows remember and retain them.
Halcyon stands a broken beauty and she disentegrates hour by hour - but not as some giant relic of the past or, for Millbrook's Fathers, some hulking wreck undeserving of compassion...but as a testament of what we value in this world, how we treat our history, what purpose our memories serve and, most of all, the power of lasting values. Halcyon may fall, but perhaps it needs the rest like the sleep that comes from beautiful things having transpired and served those it embraced so well.
architecture obsessive, and have looked at so many great buildings
in America, but there is just sometthing about seeing this one up
close, that is just somehow very thrilling, i guess...
J Margolis, thank you so much for your post, it says so much,
so succinctly, yet so very poetically. I find it very moving.
it IS time to lay Halcyon Hall to sleep, to the realm of all our collective
dreams of her. Or maybe it is Halcyon Hall herself who dreams, and
we are merely bit actors in her dramatic teleplay.
I selfishly hope though, she sticks around a little longer.....
Judge Charles D Wood has ruled the Village Planning Board was
absolutely and flagrantly wrong in approving the Blumenthal scenario,
having failed to hold adequately public hearings, ignoring laws requiring routine notification of county agencies, and generally disregarding overwhelming public opposition to the wildly uncharacteristic development proposed for the Bennett site.
The go-ahead to develop here has been Officially Rescinded,
with prejudice.Other factors are the plan's oblivious stance towards
protected streams { have been yelling about this for years, on the
siteplan drawings, the streams that practically encase the unique
Bennett parcel were SIMPLY OMITTED, as if they didn't exist.] I'm
sure it's been changed on the Drawings, but that is the entire point
in terms of environmental impact, it simply has not ben Planned For,
in a considered, responsible way to the satisfaction of most of the
people of Millbrook.
A result of intensive and concentrated legal efforts, primarily by
Halcyon's immediate neighbor Oakleigh Thorne, the declaration
voiding the shamefully premature Planning Board approval of this
condo enclave noted that Millbrook would be required to LOWER
it's wastewater output by 84,000 gallons per day to even make it
physically possible and compliant with Law.
THe system is already capacity challenged because the minor expansion of village linkups that have occured under well zoned growth., as it is. This stuff is complex,
but not as hard as, oh, say.. rocket surgery. Someone already knew these numbers before this was approved. So there was Intent to
variously Ignore the Code, or Relax the Code, or Grant a Variance
to the Code, The first of that trio is illegal and constitutes grounds
to Dismiss this entire fiasco on the face of it. The second two require
public input, and approval, neither of which were even REMOTELY
sufficient.
I have to say because of so much crap i have spouted variously
on the topic, that i think the developer had about as considered a vision for the property AS POSSIBLE for an upscale Connecticut-like
development as envisioned; and that there actually WAS some
plan to be RESPONSIBLE to historical considerations[although
Da Judge's ruling also included willful ignorance of historical
signifigance as a huge factor as well'
More than a decade has been devoted to this, and a true king's
ransom has already been spent by the developer to plan this
development. But the fact is, it is the wrong development, in the wrong place, that could have been done easier in Mabbetsville, or Verbank,
or even freakin Lithgow, and have been set back and remote enough
to be palatable.People don't want it here ,they never have. I don't think
they understood Millbrook, not really.There is a farm based,
agrarian, rural thing here, man... it is deeply rooted, almost innate.
It doesn't get chipped away like it does, even at seemingly hardier places. It is not just the equestrian locality, or the prominence of
cattle breeding at Millbrook, or even it's boldface Hamptons -like
cache that makes that resistance so formidable. It is simply a
centuries-old
love for the Landscape. Which i think Millbrook's natives probably
understimate more than anyone, but we all secretly cherish, as
being somewhere and someplace that anyone can see as being
so beautiful, and very special.
The bottom line is: This site ain't really developable [is that a word?]
Not yet anyway. Until they get rid of that damn Victorian hulk that
seems to be like a magnet to people who like crazy old stuff.
If Millbrook has lived with it like this all these years, then by damn,
that must be what Millbrook wants!!! Right? I like it, but I don't live around it, so...But...
I think even the people who scream to demolish secretly like that it
hasn't been done. None of 'em want to pay for it, do they? The developer was going to. Remember that.
I think alot of people want demolition, that also DON"T WAnt this
development. The linking of the two became a false choice.
Demo, by someone, is inevitable. A massive uncharacteristic
change to the village's entrance IS NOT.
It's Election time in Millbrook and everywhere else, too, it would seem.
Ho Ho Ho...Mark my words-you watch the rejectionof this development
become the reason why Millbrook, Village of, must now bond/beg/borrow/bail Millions of dollars to Tear Down Halcyon Hall!!!!
The village's governing body, if you want to call it that, certainly didn't
go through the trouble of getting elected to simply preside over the
slow rot of this place, that all the people who look at Opacity seem to
really enjoy, like me! Thanks again Motts!!]
It will be a nauseatingly sanctimonious, admonishing Punishment
of the Voters, whatever scattershot direction they could even cast
their vote for in Millbrook anyway: "Well, you didn't want the plan the
board approved....Now someone's gotta pay. Because we must comply with the Law, naturally" "You've scared off all the developers,
for anyrhing, forever!!"
In other words, it's gonna be like-"You F&#&*-up our deal!!! We been
plannin this %&^&^ for years, and now you've gone and decided you
don't want your little village to end up ^&*(-ed up like everywhere else!
So now YOUR gonna pay the $$$!!!
There is going to be a final Cash-In, for parties who have vested interests.Obviously they were hoping and planning for a whole lot
more than the demo of A National Register worthy building. But with the economy as it is, hey, code compliance = expensive, and
for things to get done people get paid, right? Cornerstone of free
enterprise, gentlemen.
There are
people, more than would admit, that actually like to
see this place continue to turn into even more unimaginibly ghostlier
version of itself, for reasons far crazier than yours,or mine.
Any reason to watch this place rot and collape indefinetly, to me,
is totally cool.
The fact that it staves off some ill-advised condo scenario, for a place
where you can still see the stars at night in our floodlit neon world,
is simply delicious frosted-sugar icing on my cake.
Everyone enjoy a slice. I am proud of my hometown, at least the
people who went to bat, for whatever reasons, for what was Clearly
Right, and against what was So Obviously Wrong. And I am
almost proud of the legal system, but ashamed that things would have to be blown out of proportion to that extent, and at such obscene
expense to all interests involved pro or con.
In a climate where great wealth is often derided as being self-driven,
or not mindful of the common good, sometimes it is the
pregogertive of people with the means to do so, to do what is right for
everyone, even if out of self interest. In the case of Oakleigh Thorne,
there is an uncomparable legacy of doing what is right for Millbrook,
case closed. I think it is totally awesome.
In the meantime, the chain link fence is almost pathetically invisible,
proving my urbanesque, gritty street-like overlay prediction
totally wrong! I think all but the smallest breed of papparazi -inducing,
Paris Hilton purse dog breeds would be able to jump this thing!!!
I know that Taco Bell chihuaha could vault over this sumnabitch...
cheers!
You must live for this site. I have never seen a stream of consciousness stretched out over three years before ... it's a freaking world's record! Saves a lot on therapists I bet! That said, the level of angst against development of this site conveniently overlooks one basic and salient fact: the existing structure looks like crap. Once a magnificent structure, designed by a leading architect of the early century, it now resembles an Adams Family nightmare. It is very easy to critisize from the bleachers a thoughtful plan to create moderately priced housing; it's much harder to put some effort into helping the developer to craft his basic offering onto something that will incorporate the history of the site, take the environmental issues into consideration and meet the needs of the community as a whole. In other words, I see a lot of bitching on this site, but rarely any constructive ideas. Be careful what you wish for, for you will surely get it. With Blumenthal out, you have correctly surmised that there will be no one to deal with the existing horror show the building has become because it is too costly for the village to demolish and you anti-development types have taken away any motivation for a developer to improve the situation on his dime. Like the way it looks everyone? Good ... now live with it!
facade and the eastern tower wing, where former verandahs
were enclosed. Interestingly the first places to go on this building have
mostly been areas that were renovated or changed through the years.
Feetlegs, i surprisingly agree with many of your comments, but a few
clarifications are in order.
1- I do not "Live for" Mott's Opacity site
2-my 'stream of conciousness' postings have spanned six years, not three as you incorrectly indicate
3-rather than therapuetic, or even cathartic, the bulk of my posting serves me as practice, as i am not a professional writer, but am
involved in work that requires me to write incisivley, and persuasively.
Hence, the screeds. It's practice. Think of it as watching a rehearsal,
where the context may or may not be entirely resolved.
I also try to inform. Some followers of the site appreciate it. No one
HAS to read my posts, and certainly no one has to agree with their contents.
4-many feel the building looks like crap. I say,Eye of the beholder.
5-it IS easy to "bitch'' or criticize from the 'bleachers" what you have
characterized as a "thoughtful" plan. The reason for that is that the
Blumenthal project was anything but thoughtful, and was slapped down with prejudice by the courts, over their failure to even remotely address what you call ''the environmental issues;; and the
needs of the community''
6-You are correct in stating that ''it's much harder to help the developer
craft his plan,et al'' Yeah, especially when the developer WANTED
ABSOLUTELY ZERO PUBLIC INPUT!!!! And were abetted by successive Village Boards who made every effort to INSURE
minimal public input, and were sued because of that, rightly so.
7-characterizing myself or anyone else against ramming
through this half-baked proposal as being "anti-development"
posits an ''either -or'' mentality, that is patently misleading,
disingenuous,and wildy oversimplified. If anyone has taken the time
to actually read my posts as carefully as I have tried to write them,
they would see that my own position has evolved accordingly
relative to all related developments, and has always been NUANCED.
Perhaps a little too subtly so for some people.
Stop mistaking commentary for advocacy, and maybe all of this
freedom of speech stuff won't ruffle your feathers so much.
PS- lamentation is allowed. The idea that people shouldn't comment
unless "developer types'' consider it constructive, seems a very
Poliburo, Soviet style mindset. Funny how right-wingers always
become what they claim to hate, whenever it suits there needs in
shouting down any opposition to their grand plans.
8 Finally , it is absolutely LAUGHABLE that proponents of this
shit-rain of a proposal have the balls to blame 'anti-development"
types for THEIR OWN FAILURE! The bottom line is, the development
was nixed BECAUSE YOUR PLAN SUCKED!! It was incoherent,
incomplete,and absolutely incompatible and uncharacteristic for
Millbrook. On top of that, you didn't sell it very well at all.Abetted by
the weasel-like actions of village boards who would bend over for
ANY developer, you still couldn't make it happen. And all because
of a few bellyachers on some website? Who knew?
The idea that virulent anti -development ''forces'' stopped this proposal
is ridiculous. Spare me! I can't fart loud enough to express my opinion
about such a claim. The development didn't go through, BECAUSE
YOUR PLAN SUCKED. PERIOD.
feel free to disagree though..., or, you know, tell us all how Great those condos were going to be, or whatever. Maybe you can change my mind, or
anyone else's. Although I am only as sarcastic as Feetlegs has been,
I have a sense of humor too, and am a reasonable person. I think
reasonable people can disagree. But maybe I'm All Wrong about that,
too, eh?
armor'', as it were. To me it is deconstructively interesting,but to many or even most, our interest / observations must seem like some kind of
macabre "deathwatch''. This place coming down is inevitable,and I
could care less who has to pay for it. Let's face it, the eventual "price point" for demo here is going to be a giant inflated rip off, even if they
complied with environmental laws, which they just probably won't, not really.
When the profit in eradicating exceeds that of replacing, eventually
DEMO itself will be the coveted, overblown,Federal- freakin -project
job that'll bankrupt someone else! This place bankrupted the cat
who built it as a hotel, Foreclosed to the builder, who was never paid in full. Flipped more than half a dozen times after that BEFORE
1905. It's brown as a M&M, but Halcyon was The Whitest of Elephant's
from Day 1. An object lesson about the particular nature of this
particular property. It has been the Bermuda Triangle of Millbrook's
real estate scene not just since Bennet's close, but since 1892,
really. Kind of like a Realtor version of the hotel fromThe Shining,
where instead of being haunted, Nicholson's character travels
through time being swindled every generation by this rotting hotel.
Except Nicholson's character is now taxpayer Joe. Us. The citizenary.
one starts to get the drift of why this town was desperate to get ANYONE
to agree upfront to demo, for any promise at all. They'd let a Floridian water-park, or even
a Jersey Shore beergarden be built here for any such promise.
{Now that I think about it, there's not much difference between either of those, is there?] That goes for at least whoever'd be in charge of
greenlighting it all anyway. They tried. The people said No.
Whataya want?
And I am not, nor have i ever equated the "ProposaL" as being
as preposterously out of line, ON THE FACE oF it, as my sarcasm
would suggest.
But, I'm sorry, this whole mentalitty of ""Only the Developers can
Save us!!!, [from ourselves...]"
I will posit simply , that it was a False Choice that was presented
Demo/Collapse/Lightning Strike/Gravity, et al IS INEVITABLE
The Blumenthal, or the __________, plan, or the _______- ____
scheme, or the _______, _______,& ______ project LLC,
or even the L______ S_______R_____ Blutarsky bid,
{especially that last one] ....even as Not Unnattractive plans-
Are NOT INEVITABLE . Millbrook Just Didn't Want It. They CHOSE to
continue to watch this place rot, like an Addams Family ghost, OK?
I prefer an Edward Gorey reference point, myself but eye of the
beholder, and all that, right? Fine
Y'all just picked the wrong town. I know it seemed spring-loaded for
the picking, and cottequittishly gave the impression she wanted to
dance, right up to the engagement, or whatever. But Millbrook is
a Bennet Girl !!
1980- Paul Newman rumoured to be buying Bennett for his fledgling
philanthropy, which at the time few knew about, and became the
charity powerhouse we all know. The Winnebago parked in front of
the crappy dorms, said to be his. Sat there a few weeks. X
1981- Rev Sung Yung Moon sought to purchase the campus for his
Unification Church. {Must have outbid Newman! ] No doubt
drawn to the reputation established by Dr Timothy Leary for
Millbrook's religulous tolerance, the village was in no mood to
exhume THAT corpse, at least not with a different, arguably less qualified
cult leader than Doc Leary, ho ho ho ...X
after early 90's preservation efforts failed, interest was expressed by
The Guiness Corporation, then Trinity Dublin Colege,then the NYS
Film & Video Office,
in succession.Tantalizingly apropos, the building by then was
TOO FAR GONE. So someone sold them a dream too, and blew
smoke up everyone's ass each time. So who really cares who spouts what? Even Feetlegs post is partly quite commemorative, in it's own
fashion,and that's what seems to draw most people to the topic
at hand.
if you ask most
people not what what they WANT to see here, or even what they
WOULDN't WANT to see here, everyone who knows, KNOWS that
the EXTENT of that proposal would never be ALLOWED here.
It's just doesn't have to be explained to anyone who GETS it.
Millbrook continues to choose to watch this place rot, because as
an entity, despite the motives and actions of their elected representatives, it is collectively smart enough to know that is far preferable than
the false choice they were presented.Or hell, maybe I'm wrong,
maybe it was transparently appropriate. Well, guess what? They
rejected it anyway, ya know? Like, there were never enough people
FOR IT, see? Who cares who's against it? If anyone knew they could
actually take credit for the "defeat" of the Bennett proposal by posting on a site dedicated to what it was to replace? Wow. Holy $%^.
really? Thatt's sorta like ... Halcyon's revenge. Again. Who knew
people have the power?
Not me! I told you years ago that it was coming down any freakin day now! I've never doubted nor underestimated the seemingly
all-encompassing concrete/ paving that not only accompanies, but
defines "progress', so i never let it stop me from being as full of %^&*
as anyone else. So if you take anything i say seriously, then you deserve what you get to look at as much as I do. Or deserve.
Or something like that. But mostly I am also astonished that the place hasn't f simply fallen to the ground.
It's false. Opinions mean zero. This is the newAmerica. If it was
Good Business, it would have Happened. ergo, it wasn't Good
Business. Doesn't mean it was Bad Business, necessarily, but
i am only talking defiinitionally, and situationally. Ya know...
The massive chimneys and fire hearths make this a historical building.
Also, the fact that the house never experienced anything close to a fire in its early history (even with a bunch of a young women occupying it) is a testament to how responsible and thoughtful and conscientious home owners and operators were at the turn of the century..
The reason we have so many building codes is because of people who have no sense of responsibility or respect for the traditional hearth and our overly litigious society. It's not Millbrooks fault, but it is the fault of cheap, temporary technological "advancements" (i.e. lighting) and the lack of historical education and preservation of traditional lifestyles. This house "died" when they tried to make it into something it was never intended to be used for in order to justify profits. This house is not a failure or creepy to the appreciative eye. This home is a metaphor for our nations educational system and lack of appreciation for our American heritage.
Millbrook's mayor, who has expressed "impatience'' with the
failure of the owners of Halcyon to comply with demolition, an order
still being adjudicated in the state supreme court, a ruling that will
almost certainly uphold the VIillage code.
The day before foreclosure for back taxes, the corporation that
owns the property paid the almost $300,000 in back taxes to the
Village.Penalties of $250 per day are being accrued as well.
As Choice a property as it is, it is still not worth the cost of demo,
without a development component, hence the hesitation [refusal]
of the village to seize the property, which is highly contaminated.
{My advice-Stay The Hell Out!! That place is extremely Dangerous,
now.]
but people continue to crazily tresspass...be careful folks.
A leak in the Village water system has been traced to the Bennet Complex, where the theft of copper piping has been identified as the culprit. As the original entrance to Millbrook, Four Corners, or South Millbrook, even before Halcyon, was a nexus of roads, cow trails,
the railroad line, the road to the County Infirmary,a prominent church,
and two prestigious boarding schools from the early 18oo's.
as well as other very little known sites of great historic import,
overshadowed by the great hotel / college.
An overlay of mapping of the vicinity from different eras is absolutely fascinating.
The mayor has commited to meeting soon with the owners, but has
acknowledged that the village has no definite plan moving forward,
in light of the cost of demolition, wildly underestimated to cost
3-5 million, dollars. Yeah. Try again. It will be more.
The owner had a plan in place. It doesn't matter if you or me or anyone
didn't like it, it provided for the disposition of the problem in conjunction with a commercially viable development ostensibly
sympathetic to the site.
How in the world do you demand a corporation to spend eight million
dollars of their own money to get rid of a problem they inherited from
countless former owners, including the FDIC by the way. Why wasn't
demo compliance the big jazzy order of the day when the feds owned
it? Because they didn't want to pay either. There BROKE, just like you and me. If I owned Halcyon i'd shrug my shoulders as well, ya know?
But i have also said i would cover it in glow in the dark paint, or make it
the set of a movie. Perhaps some sort of Scoobie Doo type thing.
on your particular aesthetic, Millbrook is frustrated even in it's attempts to compel Halcyon's owners to simply mow the lawn
fronting the former hotel /college.
The village has issued yet another edict to encourage compliance,
which has been ignored.
I don't think it is too much to ask, as the overgrowth of Halcyon's
expansive lawn in the dry summertime is an indisputable fire
hazard, considering that it would be simply kindling for the
catastophic bonfire of a conflagration that a fire at bennet would
become. It is wildly irresponsible to risk the safety of Millbrook's
first responders, who are awesomely dedicated volunteers, at
least because of something so prosaic as a highly preventable
brush fire that could surely become more.
The building may not be gone, and will continue to be a threat in
that regard, but that costs millions to remedy. Mowing the lawn does
not present a financial hardship, relatively.
I'd imagine the village might proceed and bill the owner, as it has
for tax assessment, fencing, etc.?
Alot of lawyers are being paid for accomplishing almost nothing tangible. Can't someone pay a guy on a John Deere for half an afternoon?
haunt buster thing has gone wildly pop and mainstream, on the
TV they have Celebrity Ghost Sightings. The one episode i
managed to giggle my way through featured a haunted music studio
with the erstwhile drummer from Guns & Roses. The West Hollywood
Cocaine Ghosts of Matt Sorum. ok....whatever...
But unlike so many other things that get trended out to death, i think
people's attraction to ghostly phenomena, real, imagined, or
manufactured, is still a very cool, pure, and ingrained imperative,
especially for young people. The crucial aspect of it all for me is the
central notion of PLACE in the concept of haunting. It is haunted
Houses, Haunted Castles,and the like, that predominate people's
ruminations and explorations of the subject, which would otherwise
be intangibly boring to anyone so interested.
It is LOCATION and a sense of PLACE then, that form a large part
of people's obsession with ghosts. And in an even Meta-Metaphorical
way, the concept of a ghost, tied to a location even after death,
conflicted about it's place between life and death, is itself illustrative
of the psychological underpinnings of our collective ideas about the
supernatural.
Or maybe I'm full of %^&, I don't know!
The popular identification with the subject inevitably intersects with
buildings and history, and so that is a real great thing i think. I don't
really know what i believe. I am a wildly skeptical person [ya think?
lol!] but I have a very open mind about metaphysics, the afterlife etc.
But Halcyon Hall haunted? Maybe.
Il;l tell you what, if it's haunted, IT'S HAUNTED BY THE F#$%^-ING
COPS, So STAY THe hell OUT of There KiDS!!!!
Actually I have a haunted television, Totally true. My friend sold it to me,
he got it used. My television turns on by itself. That;s right. But only
when I have had on Turner Classic Movies, or the History Channel,
or the Military Channel. Nevermind that's about the only thing I probably watch anyway, [besides Celebrity Ghost Stories, of course!!!] but
usually it is some noir black and white thing, and always between three and four AM. It is sometimes disconcerting to be awakened to
a Raymond Chandler style argument out in my living room, ready to get freakin whacked
out by Humphry Bogart in my home for no reason at all at four in
the morning,but,,,. yeah....
And I'm being funny and all, but I am totally serious. this TV is like
some 1940's Edward Hopper-esque window from the WWII era.
I have changed the box, setup, etc and this thing is crazy, for real.
But I don't really watch much TV, so.....
So objects can be haunted, too?
Haunted is technically an adjective, but to me is more about the
nouns: people, places, things.
ok, i have to go watch some TV, heh heh......have a great summer,
all.....
TV? ha ha, but he didn't know. Or at keast it wasn't haunted in HIS house...which maybe means it's not the TV?! maybe a ghost here
that just happened to clue in through this Sh-tbox from the 30's or whatever..lol...
Halcyon Hall itself has a monumental history of drinking and alcohol
consumption associated with it.. I have always been astonished at
how much rich people drink, compared to even the toughest proletariot.
I actually have to give some signiifanct respect and props to many of their
ability to hold their liquor well. Practice, I guess.
So if there are ghosts, they are drunk as lords,going back to Halcyon's earliest hotel days. when they concocted a tale that Apollinarus water
was the most consumed bevvie, when in reality it was gallons of liquor and wine.
During the college years, it wasn't really a party school, per se.
More like Vassar as opposed to Marist.
But as soon as it was abandoned, it became a haven for the drinking
of cheap beer, and whatever else. A place for the kids to party that
wouldn't bother ANYONE. But good things don't last, eh?
I go through phases, usually it's a couple of Blueberry Pomegranate
Ratchetaritas, then onto some fairly macho beer drinking. But tonight,
I'm knocking back some cold Jim Beam with iced Coors Light, brown bottle.Probably what most Americans would be drinking if the
Confederacy won the Civil War. I'm in a southern mood, which happens from time to time, and for unpredictable reasons.
My favorite story from the Civil War-
Lincoln's Secretary of War beseeched to The President that
the Army's officers complained that General Grant was drunk 24 hours
a day.
"What brand whiskey does Grant drink?" asked Lincoln.
His secretary replied "What difference would that make, Mister
President?"
"Because I want a case of that consigned to ALL of my generals"
trumped Lincoln, who if he hadn't been the greatest American
president, would be known and ranked as almost as great a
Writer as Mark freakin Twain.
So.. a toast to writers [and generals] who could hold their liquor,
and to Halcyon Hall, which turns 120 years old next month...
when i was a child their were still people who were alive to
witness as themselves children, Halcyon being built....
Their generation was weaned on stories from The Civil War,
from the era before "World Wars"....
unless Mother Nature Says So, in more dramatic fashion than she has already displayed.
Whatever Millbrook says or does, it has decided it prefers to host
a near legendary ruin, rather than ANY of the alternatives proposed
so far,
In fact, as the TOW Master Plan finally drops on a seemingly catatonic
populace, the years late, more than half a decade report confirms
what most people who live in The Village of Millbrook in the Town of
Washington actually believe.
Specifically, That Halcon Hall /Bennett College should be preserved!
Ha Ha Ha... yeah, a bit late on that one. But go back seven years, and
that was where people stood, that commercial zoning should be
encouraged, but smartly. And that Millbrook's character should also
be preserved.
under order of demolition, yet highly unlikely to face compliance
with any laws other than those of Mother Nature, specifically
decay and gravity, there is official talk again of hoping to "save"
Halcyon's incredible stonework.
Smart idea. What do they have to lose? Money? Sure, but tons of that
has spent just to keep the status quo going there in South Millbrook...
A fraction of it spent on basic stabilization only a dozen years back
would have made the Halcyon story quite a different proposition,
and probably a few bucks even for the right people.
So hell, it's not too late to cash in just a little bit, lol...let's make the
retention of Halcyon's master masonry the new enterprise, to rally
for, or propagandize against, or to maintain ambivalence about.
Even if Nothing were to be done, Tommorrow, even [you know,
just like today!] the stonework here would outlast us all.
found elsewhere in the tri-state area; it's a real tragedy, everyone
knows someone who's been affected to one degree or another. So
here in Dutchess County [where it is usually US who gets socked]
we were very lucky, relatively.
The current state of deterioration is fairly steady now, Sandy's
effects indistinguishable from just the daily effects of collapse.
The wide dormer windowsof the west roof are going horizontal.
Many of these windows are broken simply because the frame has
twisted so.
The front facade collapse continues, harder to actually see into the
rip, as floors are spilling downward. Simply put, the place is a real mess. But it is tough as hell, I never imagined it would still be standing this long.
The western section of Fencing has been breached with impunity.
People have been going in and out of here Whenever The Hell
They Want. Note to village: Your Fence has been a waste of time,
effort, and money, from day one. And oh, yeah, that's right...
Everyone who posts here Told You So!!
It also makes the place look worse, not better. But go ahead and pat
one another on the back about having 'done something' if it makes
someone feel better about it. Probably some insurance agent, who
is sleeping better at night, or whatever. Fair enough.
I always forget that money is no object around here. But, then it is.
The real Huge Newz about Halcyon is that it is rumoured to have a
possible buyer.
The veracity of said assertion could range anywhere from certitude,
to outright fabrication.
In normal speak: it is probably bull donkey. But who knows?
There is alot of political machination and motivation underway behind the scenes, to reach some disposition of the property. There was a
huge plan in place. It didn't get to that level of development without
a lot of grease. The plan failed. So some people or interests got
burned. Whatever's next, they want there's first. And they kind of want it now. It is getting sort of late in the game for them.Cash in the chips down there in South Millbrook, while there is
any hand left to play. Let's get the show on the road, kind of a thing.
And of course, it is now mandated by Code and Law, eh? So who
can argue against public safety?
Not me, bubba. I say call Spielberg. You KNOW what I want to see happen with the place.....
In light of that sort of pressure, mysterious buyers have always seemed to appear, as if out of a gossamer mist from wish land.
I wonder who it is now.? After Paul Newman, and the Rev Syung Moon,
and some famous manufacturer of Irish beer, who might it be?
Stallone? Dick Cheney? Snookie? Shaquille O'Neal? Cher? Ron
Jeremy?
Trump? [he has been in the Hudson Valley alot lately]
Perhaps some of you could make your guess. Just make it up,
because that's what's always worked here before to prevent
movement in ANY direction,on this property.
And christknows what Millbrook needs more than anything is More
Boldface Names.WeMUst Have It!
So let's make it a contest. Not what celebrity will buy it, but who
you think they should FORCE to buy Halcyon Hall, for entree to
the clusterf%&* of a star colony they have assembled here.
But not much has changed, this is EXACTLY how they did it here in
the 1890's. Exactly that way.
So if you think, say Mickey Rourke, or perhaps Courtney Love,
should be FORCED to buy Halcyon freakin Hall, then do a write-in!
Whoever you want!
Whover guesses right gets.. case of Guinness! Or Newman's
Own salad dressing if your a teetotaler! It's ok, this is a big tent
party here. Blue state.
Our little election will have about as much signifigance as yesterday's
national election. A billion dollar pageant, and everythings the same. No matter who wins. No one wins. People who create TV ads win.
People who make bunting did a smashup biz. No wonder they can't
provide Americans with healthcare. Too busy spending Billions to
decide who is going to say we can't afford the Billions to get things
right.
So our contest for Millbrook is quite stupid, but much cheaper,
and easily as inconsequential. Do a write-in.
I say Shatner. Cap'n Kirk. In freakin Millbrook. Hell yes.
the Millbrook inteligencia sit there twittling a pencil amidst fingers with the other hand behind their back fingers crossed- how long can they hold this position
It converges Rt's 44, 343, and 82, at a point that is scenically
beautiful, relatively undeveloped, and the kind of location, that if you are headed somewhere, you want to get through quickly, no matter
WHERE you are headed. It is a mile and a half from the geographical center of the county [for that, see Copperfields]
For all intents and purposes, it is surrounded by it's same neighbors
from the late 1890's onward: thoroughbred country estates, Millbrook's
country club, it's longstanding Caddyshack-vibe notwithstanding, lol,
and the 4-way marker Monument which people seem compelled to smash their cars into all of the time for no holy reason at all.
Other than the smashing sounds generated by those continuous wrecks [why, people?] that area of South Millbrook is still almost
idyllic. Quiet. Very nice. It was that way when I was a small child.
And I was assured it was that way long before.
There are a ton of other reasons the Halcyon /Bennet parcel is
multiply attractive to any number of potential purchaser/ developers.
It is zoned for almost any-a-thing you might want to do here. I have
routinely propose all manner of preposterous scenarios. As nuts
as they all are, ZONING would be the LEAST obstacle to Any of them.
Look what WAS ready to rip on through, ya know?
It also has fairly stable neighbours. The condo dev already there has
proven fairly civic-minded IMO. The golf course to the east is one of the oldest in America [that may NOT be the best way for me to put that stat,
lol...] South Millbrook below is still the country hamlet i remember,
mostly formed by the expansion of the college, but overlapping
the earlier historical era from the County House.
East of Bennet is The Dutchess Land Conservancy, which has
put so much of central Dutchess, right here, on the forever wild,
forever undeveloped rolls. And forget propaganda you hear, these
are not land grabs. It is mostly convincing landowners, large and
small, to do what is indisputably in their interest, AND YOURS, MINE
and ANYONE else who can appreciate why the vicinity NEEDS,
AND MORE IMPORTANTLY DESERVES protection from INCONSIDERED development, the likes of which you can go see
ANYWHERE, if you really need to seek out that sort of thing.
It is All the %& @# around you!
Why in the WORLD , MUST you HAVE TO see It HERE?! AS WELL?!!
It is hard to believe The Millbrook Hunt wouldn't fancy trotting through here, The way they used to, depending on what the site becomes. There are a multitude
of scenarios, but.... forget MY cynicism, how many times has this
town shot Themselves in the foot over this Spot.? On the face of it
suppose.
But their is another side. This place has been used often for
various reasons as excuses for this that & the other.
Evasion of Code Enforcement. Paradoxical Selective Enforcement
of Building Code. Simultaneously.
But i don't think local government can really do much, anyway
forgetThe Legal Realm. The machinations of the Private Sector Prevail....example..
The Cardinal Hayes Home proposed a group home at Exmoore
House, former President's Mansion for Bennet College,
a great house in great shape, jewel of the property but not part of the
parcel. In real Estate terms, this house has flipped more times
than Flip Wilson [ok, I might be losin the kidz, here]
It is a fabulous house, but is locked in hostage to the Bennett
scenario whatever TF that is going to be.
Denied State funds in light of economic downturn, [pre-Sandy, even]
the plan has just been abandoned. Real estate interests would have
liked to see that in light of NO development anywhere else near
The Parcel. Others view that as the Kiss of Death longterm for
attractive development post-Halcyon demo. So for many, grand
rotting, pain-in-the-ass Bennet College helped prevent a group home
landlocked into their future plan.
Score One More for Victorian Ruin As Real Estate Golem.
If not for Halcyon's hopeless condition, that sort of Usage would not even
be Contemplated there. it is sorta, kinda complicated. Or it seems
that, way to me. I don't think my hometown has a bigger
[or smaller] NIMBY complex than small towns anywhere else, really.
I actually think Millbrook has always been way more progressive than most in that regard, in moral terms. But it is just about business,
today, gone later today.
So locals and neighbors see development here being a major drag.
Newcomers who see killer frontage/acreage in their own terms,
well, what can you say?And I qualify my use of the term Newcomer,
accordingly, OK? I get it. We are All Newcomers. That is not only right,
but necessary. But look abouthcha' a bit before you want to build
anything like a theme park...or a housing dev that looks even a little BIT like one, here.
A ruin like this has invited conceptually bad development already.
Until the building is Gone it will continue to be THe Radioactive
Bermuda Triangle of Millbrook's real estate cabals. THat is just
undeniable. They are gonna ratchet up a whole new scenario,
again, I have seen it a dozen freakin times....and yet there is
never any actual Disposition. So that must be how the people who
decide things, decide its gonna be? Right?THat's how it's always gone, so that's how it will be. I guess?
I string a phrase or two sarcastic here and there, but I'm not quite
Copernicus. Or The Oracle of Millbrook's Delphi.
But it seems it would require a seer, or some sort of financial
mystic, to auger the influence of planet Halcyon over Millbrook, village
of, in the year of our Lords, 2013.
Like a Black Hole, of Realty, it 's magnetic attration is so
strong that even light [and all sense, with it] gets sucked inexorably
into the void. It's YogiDejaBerryVu all over again.
Hopefully, they will have Some Sense of SCALE. & PROPORTION.
I dont' think Reasonable people expect anything more than that.
But, then again...
Including the side project of the demolition of the expansions around her, I find them an architectural eyesore, and besides.. those buildings look in even worse shape in terms of foundation than Halcyon Hall.
Also I'd want to restore the original Dining Hall building at the end of the West Wing that was presumably demolished for expansion in the early 1900s. I think that general area is now the Auditorium. Improving it's fire safety... would be wise, so exact replication of the interior may not be ... wise.
and no matter what I wont let her fall back into this shape ever again, I'd have an insurance on her that will last 500 years if necessary, if electricity needs to be turned off, for whatever reason, the water will be drained and turned off beforehand! and there will be a fund to keep her in good shape while she is vacated.
That is my dream anyway... fell in love with her from the first picture, never fell in love with a building before until I saw it by random chance on reddit. She should probably have a photo on the Queen Anne Building wiki page. I'll see to it when I get the chance~
I wouldn't mind seeing the college re open by pure magic :3 would be awesome!
@Jane and you too! Hopefully she is still standing and the wind storm didn't reach her like it did my house and knocked out a few of my columns on the porch overhang D:
Halcyon forever ~
PS -where is PR
The word around town is that it is Haunted.MM seeing is believing,but in saying that why did i have such bad things happen while i was there.
And would i have banged into the security guards at te same time.
Buggered if I know.I am alone in this case as others that say they are keen dont want to get caught at the sametime.There were some people living in the buildings illegally up until recently when they all got kicked out as the buildings were a earthquake risk.
So there are alot of buildings that are going to be no longer due to mother nature.
once a building is gone so is the history nomatter how inconsequetial it seems bet U got some humdingers out you way
posts
the only real new news [nu nu's?] is Supreme Court Judge Maria Rosa [who is new to the bench I believe? I am not certain] signed
an injunction on Jan.16th ordering Bennett Acquisitions LLC [the
property's owner] to obtain permits from the DEC,Dept of Labor, and
State Office of Parks Recreation & Historic Preservation, pursuant
to the court's order to demolish Halcyon Hall. BA LLC must also
submit operational plans in regards to power lines during demo.
The adjacent chapel , and unnamed stone wall are to be
'preserved', which is some good news. I would like to think the
wall in question is Halcyons stone foundations in front. Much of
it's western facade is also faced in fine stonework.
If this all seems like deja -voodoo all over again, it is because it is
really just a State order that will be ignored as opposed to the Village
order that has been ignored all along. But the State has the power to find the owner in contempt and impose penalties, powers unavailable to the Village, or at least unimposed so far, beyond nominal fines
for Building Code non-compliance, and the cost of mowing the lawn,
and putting up silly fences and whatnot.
The Village Board of Trustees went into closed session to determine what they can continue to do. Or continue not to do, as it were.
I'd guess most people prefer the State to be involved. It makes them the ''bad guy'', and insures some movement towards some resolution
of a fairly vexing problem for Millbrook.
More significantly, the inclusion of a preservation mandate in the
state injunction for some portion of the building[s] is the first actual
legal decree to specify so. So that is heartening that some aspect
of selective demo-ing has been considered and specified for.
Coming from the State that seems to have a bit more teeth than
any order from the village at this point, whom are completely powerless , it seems. Kicking up to NYS is at least a bit more
proactive at least, than floating the prospect of these 'mystery buyers'
they have conjured anytime people demand some progress by
the village in taking responsibility for disposition of the property.
BA LLC has until the Ides of March to comply. about ten days or so from now.
So...look for Nothing to happen anytime Soon, in other words!!!!
in the mean time...Halcyon Hall turns 120 years old this year.
ok!
also- see Stax --told U Motts would answer ya
In other news, I near completion of my MineCraft replica of Halcyon Hall of 1897. I just wish I knew what the basements looked like in terms of floor plans.
Anyone with basement floor plans? Or at least pictures/video?
http://i159.photobucke...0555_zpsa1722f0d.png
The above is the "back" of my version, all floors and rooms exist in this. It is to scale in terms of real life to minecraft conversion ( with a few differences and my own ideas added onto it .. like a moat )
Wanderer, the edifice took analyzing several photos and then free handing it with blocks rather than drawing on paper. The most difficult part was the Roof, once I got the roof completed properly ( and it involved man rebuilds ) the rest of the building started to come into shape. Dormer placement was also difficult.
The other side http://i159.photobucke...4520_zpsd3ad7d9e.png
You may not recognize the structure to the right. But that is supposedly the original Dining Hall that was demolished. The windows are probably wrong, but I liked it so stuck with it.
I recreated it based on the floor plans and a few very distant images. This is how the roof is apparently, it is really interesting. A hipped and gabled roof structure combined.
http://i159.photobucke...4544_zpsed56011f.png
Also, there is this side http://i159.photobucke...0342_zps00d4e8ee.png
I had a great deal of trouble finding... high quality photos of this side of the building. I had to eyeball it from low res black and white photos and postcard photos. Anyone have modern day shots of this side of the building?
I realize the "new" dorms block some of it and they probably punched a giant hole in the wall to put in that walkway. *shivers* Poor Halcyon Hall.
I spent alot of time at Bennett when i was a little kid; i went to the
Bennett nursery school, run by the school's early education
majors. It was the early 1970's. All the girls practically had long straight, usually blonde hair. They were fantastic.I loved all of them.
It was a very progressive and artistic place. I couldn't have dreamed
of anywhere better.
But anyone growing up in Millbrook spent time here often, from
the massive 4th of July celebrations, to playing ball on
the expansive lawn [big enough to host a football and baseball game
simultaneously] There were alot of community theater and music
events all the time.Despite the politically tumultuous era, Millbrook
was still rather Norman Rockwell-esque, in a good way.
I also had the thrill of exploring Halcyon as a young teenager. Post-
Bennet College. Pre- vandalism. A short window, there.
Brings back alot of memories just recollecting....
Celeste your recreations are alot of fun. Enjoying them. I remember
years back seeing actual physical models of Halcyon. Not scale or
totally accurate, more like a dollhouse version, but delightful nonetheless
Passed by Halcyon just earlier today, it always stirs memories.
what would the honored MOTTS say ?
https://www.youtube.co...x8EMheg&index=11
The Bennett doc on youtube called "Broken Beauty" is actually all my footage from over the years. The guy originally stole my footage off of youtube *without my consent* ,but I decided to let him use it since it's really old. I probably shouldn't have been so nice about it ,but I don't see him ever completing it. Firstly he's from Ohio ,and secondly I have no interest in helping him.
seen.
it seems to also convey the danger of entering the building. It really is quite hazardous. Not just the very real possibility of falling through floors, or collapsing debris, but the atmosphere is extremely toxic,
and rife with asbestos and other super fine particulate matter, as well as decades old mold, mildew, and fungus cultures, pigeon shit
[pigeons loved this place from as soon as it was abandoned.]
I have seen deer living in this building. Almost 20 years ago, no less.
We discovered racoon dens. In the summer there are bees nests EVERYWHERE. It is kind of a Marlon Perkins Wild Kingdom from
the apocalypse. Very much like the TV show "Life After People" .Sounds gnarly and goth or whatever, but i implore
everyone or anyone tempted to go in here-
1 Don't
2 If you must, Do Not Go Alone!
3 If you go, WEAR A RESPIRATOR!!! An OSHA Approved for
Fine Particulate Matter model. Please. If you do not, and stay
for more than a few minutes, I promise you, you will get very very
sick.Heed the advice of myself and other posters through the years; the asbestos is bad enough, but compound that with the
bacterial danger, and you are tempting fate. this place may look cool,
but it is a festering cauldron of toxic disease and misery.
As much as I loved exploring, i content myself with Mott's photos.
Hats off, man. You provide a priceless vicarious thrill.
As Pat is talking about chance of becoming ill in this building, it is very very true and I wouldn't even step near it without a mask. Aside from that... there are also considerable dangers inside of it that could easily get you killed. I've heard stories of people falling through two floors, and I believe a case where someone had to be rescued. But it literally is a death trap... I'd love to go in it though before/if the state gets them to demolish it finally.
As for my minecraft creation, it is pretty much done, I'll be posting a youtube video of it this week. I'll link it here also.
Aside from that, is there anyone that could please take pictures ( like today ) of Halcyon Hall dormer side wing? ( I can never remember which is east and which is west wing ) You know the one where the dormer walkway attaches from the side? The left side of the photo in this page. I want photos of current images of it before the greenery starts exploding.
I spent about 7 hours filming inside so hopefully I got everything I need. I really do hate going in there so I really hope that is the last time I ever have to do it.
When I get at least one or two interviews, I'm going to put a youtube trailer together with some contact info, that way I'll be able to find more people to speak with.
Took some shots of a abandoned hospital the other week and one of the better shots was of a sign saying:
These Buildings Have Camera Surveilance Beware.
HaHa was takeing snap shots in the middle of the day,in the middle of a working week.
Maybe they could see that i wasnt there to destroy the place so left me alone.Really wanted to get inside but it was well secured.
Underneath the video is says "Because of the sundry demands of family, work, etc., I cannot finish this project as planned for this month. Sorry to those who were patiently waiting and anyone else I've disappointed, but rest assure this project has started and will be finished sometime in 2013. I'll let you all know when with a new trailer."
That's all a bunch of bull crap, the real reason is because I won't give him anymore footage.
I don't even know how he got all of that Bennett footage? The first time I filmed Bennett was in 2009 and every time I make a new video, I delete the old one.
I've had this "Broken Beauty" movie mentioned to me several times from other people . "So did you hear that someone is making a movie about Bennett, their footage looks awesome." I always have to clear it up and tell them the story.
While searching for people to interview, I found this message board and of course, it mentions that Bennett trailer, so now you know the full story.
I would love to talk to PR, as long as he's okay with that =)
demolition. I can't say I blame them, ya know? I couldn't afford it,either! lol....
Celeste, you are right,in another week or three, the greenery will obscure much of Halcyon's diagonal views. Unfortunatley, I am in NO
position to consider tresspassing there at this point, for photo
purposes or anything else.
If i dig far enough into my...archives?.. I am sure i have the original
blueprints for the basement. It could take quite some time. In any
event they have been drastically altered from the original 1892
plans, in 1907, then in the 20's, 50's, and 70's...I developed a
composite set of plans for all of these eras, but they are buried deep,
along with the originals, SOMEWHERE...ask me in six months!!
Christina, sorry to hear of imposters ripping you off. It seems all
notions of authorship,originality, sourcing, footnoting, bibliographic
integrity, etc have gone out the window in the Unimaginative
internet era. The only real remedy is to never put ANYTHING out there
that you want presented as your own.
In other words, all the mediums and art forms that the internet was going to
put out of business supposedly, are all ALIVE AND WELL.
F$#%^ the internet. Make films? Try and get them shown the way they
used to. Make art? There are more galleries and alternative forums
than ever. Write? Books still get published all the time. Music?
Easier than ever to record your own, and play places that NEVER
used to consider live music. Etc etc All in the physical world.
I know I'm in the minority opinion. But the internet seems to me to be
good at PROMOTING these endeavours that occur OUTSIDE of
cyberworld. If you put it online, one gains a [potential] audience
that might not be exposed traditionally [if your also ok with your
work more likely than not becoming part of the wallpaper, as well]
...but it's a kind of Faustian bargain, in that an artist's sense of
control over their work instantly vanishes...and FOREVER. There is no
real remedy, once some cheapjack punk comes along and steals
your work, claiming it as their own.
Other than the certainty that they will only go so far, with hijacked
material?
I completely commiserate, I have had it happen, and it continues to
despite my best efforts to protect my own sundry enterprises from
ever being accessible by the net AT ALL!
The problem really is a lack of basic F#$%-ing ethics, in an age
when even a DJ is considered an artist. That is, that just recognizing,
choosing, or collaging, one assumes a mantel of authorship over
the materials of one's dabbling.
This is the central, Marshall Mc Luhan-esque conundrum of postmodern artistic practice. The Medium Is The Message.
The central distinction is that of CREDITING, ACKNOWLEGING,
FOOTNOTING, etc that is just GONE as far as the internet generation goes. Kids are just Stupid, today. I'm sorry, it has to be said. There
is not even ANY consciousness whatsoever regarding originality or
the notion of authorship, or intellectual property, or even [gasp!]
the tradition of recognition that ARTISTS THEMSELVES used to
accord one another, when an an artist has taken the time to carve
out an artistic ground for themselves. To influence anyone is flattering,
to be ripped off blatantly without any panache, let alone credit, can
be infuriating, no doubt.
Motts I'm sure has a unique perspective on these things. I'd venture
to say he has a unique and shrewd new model for surfing the
sometimes subtle distinctions of these issues with some degree
of experience, grace, but also a sense of philosophical detachment.
I think being prolific is the best defense. Most ripoff artists have a
super short attention span, and minimal imagination. It is hard for them to sustain any original spark at all, let's face it, ripping someone
else's idea off was their most original thought that day, right.?
And at the end of the day, no one can really get anywhere too far
without eventually coming up with the goods themselves.Still,
it is infuriating to be undermined by the casual anonyminity of what
could otherwise be a cool avenue of exposure.
Imagine if some nitwit tried to pass off Mott's photos as their own?
Can you imagine the shame and mockery that could be unleashed
on such a fool? But, I bet, it probably still happens, ya know?
So I'd say, just keep at it, these things eventually come out in the wash, as it
were.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsIia5HEBLM
Pat any photos of the basement would be greatly appreciated, particularly the basement floor plans would help even more hehe.
Also photos of the outer side of the West Wing that are of reasonable quality would be very nice. But again, I'm only interested in the 1897 Halcyon Hall, the additions made to it aren't really of particular interest. Thank you in advance! =)
I was over there last week and I spent about five hours filming the outside in every possible angle.
If possible, please post any demolition updates here, I want to make sure that I'm there when/if it happens. All I know is that the owner had 60 days to come up with a demolition plan, which was back in Feb I believe?
Celeste, that's totally cool, thank you.
She looks beautiful at this time of year, here's a photo from my last trip: https://sphotos-b.xx.f...617_2140522924_n.jpg
I was over there last week and I spent about five hours filming the outside in every possible angle.
If possible, please post any demolition updates here, I want to make sure that I'm there when/if it happens. All I know is that the owner had 60 days to come up with a demolition plan, which was back in Feb I believe?
Celeste, that's totally cool, thank you.
She looks beautiful at this time of year, here's a photo from my last trip: https://sphotos-b.xx.f...617_2140522924_n.jpg
I was over there last week and I spent about five hours filming the outside in every possible angle.
If possible, please post any demolition updates here, I want to make sure that I'm there when/if it happens. All I know is that the owner had 60 days to come up with a demolition plan, which was back in Feb I believe?
Celeste, that's totally cool, thank you.
She looks beautiful at this time of year, here's a photo from my last trip: https://sphotos-b.xx.f...617_2140522924_n.jpg
I was over there last week and I spent about five hours filming the outside in every possible angle.
If possible, please post any demolition updates here, I want to make sure that I'm there when/if it happens. All I know is that the owner had 60 days to come up with a demolition plan, which was back in Feb I believe?
Celeste, that's totally cool, thank you.
She looks beautiful at this time of year, here's a photo from my last trip: https://sphotos-b.xx.f...617_2140522924_n.jpg
Also I decided to reupload the video its a bit less glitchy, youtube still glitched the beginning and reduced the quality but ah well. Hopefully they'll have 720p available for it later on! :3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jddtAoOWiJU
I'd love to see a recent photo of the front that faces the road.
https://sphotos-b.xx.f...8617_406954938_n.jpg
Bennett is about 2 hours from me ,but I'll grab you a pic when I go back. I'll also be checking out your video shortly, I really enjoyed your other one.
I'll post a private video link here so you guys can see a recent shot of the front. I just have to empty my memory card on to my computer.
https://sphotos-b.xx.f...8617_406954938_n.jpg
Bennett is about 2 hours from me ,but I'll grab you a pic when I go back. I'll also be checking out your video shortly, I really enjoyed your other one.
I'll post a private video link here so you guys can see a recent shot of the front. I just have to empty my memory card on to my computer.
https://sphotos-b.xx.f...8617_406954938_n.jpg
Bennett is about 2 hours from me ,but I'll grab you a pic when I go back. I'll also be checking out your video shortly, I really enjoyed your other one.
I'll post a private video link here so you guys can see a recent shot of the front. I just have to empty my memory card on to my computer.
building.I for one admire from afar.I dont have
much of a choice but to leave all the hard work
up to you guys.So many of us hide behind our
computers and yes we dont know what the other
looks like.Wanderer did you find out what our friend
Pat was?Haha sorry m8 puttin you on the spot like
that.Christina & Celeste thank you.And to Motts as
well.You are all inspirational.Wanderer and Pat
who keep us just wanting more.You are all awesome.
have you been to the falls in Kent, wanderer? such a great place, in
a real nice part of Connecticut.
One hundred and twenty years ago, the construction firm of Mead & Taft were working overtime, feverishly completing the construction
and decoration of Halcyon Hall, in the summer leading up to it's
autumn grand opening at the height of the Gilded Age.
Millbrook is arguably quieter now. Just sayin...