Poisons For Internal Use

That makes no sense to me...

I think the word "NOT" is missing. lol

Hmmm... Disturbing site to see in a hospital...

Priceless

the place doesn't look vandalized at all, but maybe somebody played a little trick on posterity...

In terms of the text being centered, the gap next to the S1 would be the most logical place for the word NOT, and it seems there is a patch of red paint in that particular spot. What amazes me is that someone managed to match the color exactly!

Cait,
They could've been adhesive letters and someone simply peeled off the NOT from that locked cabinet door.

But I concur, there probably was a NOT on there at some point.

Hahahaha.. that's so dark.

is the SI meaning yes so it would be Poisons Yes for Internal Use. Well that was one way to get out of this place

no..no you are!

POISONS inSIde not FOR INTERNAL USE

Mind you, one wonders just where the ones that are for internal use are. I expect that this has adhesive letters which have come off. I'd love to see a high rez version of the image.

What ever they were used for that door was used alot. Lots of key wear just below where the lock cyclinder was on the door.

Never touch Poison. It screws your brain up.

seems like a logical thing, Ozzy...

and POISONS INSIDE NOT FOR INTERNAL USE makes sence, but then again...where would the NOT actually go? The FOR is centered, and the INSIDE would take up that whole line, wouldn't it? Oh well. I didn't write it. =^__^=

Except thats not an I next to the S, its a 1.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek!

http://www.bio.fsu.edu/easton/topic32.html

"A single shock, S1, to the nerve, yields an EPP, which rises to a peak, then slowly decays"

Okay, I was overdramatising the Eeeek, and I have no clue what half the words are in that link, and its frogs.... so I could possibly more than likely be off on totally the wrong track.

I blame that whole previous comment on googling "poison s1"

It's like something you'd send in to Jay Leno for Headlines...

I dont believe that that "S1" could have been a word. It is not the same "I" as the letters in the other words. It is clearly a 1 and not an i....

Makes ya wonder......

If you look carefully it appears that numbers are missing here not the word "NOT". The last digit being a 4. Many medicines are poisonous, in large quantities. They probably doled out there own doses from the secure storage and then diluted it accordingly for the patient at hand. Possibly, judging by the different lettering and the various signs of different shapes being taped/glued over sections of this sign, not all of these words here were necessarily in use at the same time. Maybe?

S1 & S4 ?

Check this out:
Safety Phrase S1 "keep locked up"
http://ptcl.chem.ox.ac.../safety_phrases.html

And Risk Phrase R4 "Forms very sensitive explosive metallic compounds". Perhaps we're missing a few numbers after that, or at least good thing you didn't open the cupbard
http://ptcl.chem.ox.ac...DS/risk_phrases.html

There is also this article about handling poisons which states: "scheduled poisons are marked S1 by BDH" That is from a university... http://www.sussex.ac.u...20Act%201972%20S1%22

Okay, I have the answer. It's where they stored their cigarettes. Nicotine is both an S1 and S4 category poison. Plus, their for internal use, right. And it explains why there lock appears so used. It's the only logical explanation.

http://www.rpsgb.org/pdfs/MEP30s1-5.pdf

I promise I'm letting this go now. Promise.

EC Safety Phrases


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Under EC legislation, data sheets available in the UK now contain codes for certain "safety phrases", shown as S1, S17 etc. These phrases are also extensively used elsewhere in the world. Safety phrase codes have the following meanings:

S1 Keep locked up.
S2 Keep out of the reach of children.
S3 Keep in a cool place.
S4 Keep away from living quarters.
S5 Keep contents under ... (there follows the name of a liquid).
S6 Keep under ... (there follows the name of an inert gas).
S7 Keep container tightly closed.
S8 Keep container dry.
S9 Keep container in a well-ventilated place.
S12 Do not keep the container sealed.
S13 Keep away from food, drink and animal foodstuffs.
S14 Keep away from ... (a list of incompatible materials will follow).
S15 Keep away from heat.
S16 Keep away from sources of ignition.
S17 Keep away from combustible material.
S18 Handle and open container with care.
S20 When using, do not eat or drink.
S21 When using do not smoke.
S22 Do not breathe dust.
S23 Do not breathe vapour.
S24 Avoid contact with skin.
S25 Avoid contact with eyes.
S26 In case of contact with eyes, rinse immediately with plenty of water and seek medical advice.
S27 Take off immediately all contaminated clothing.
S28 After contact with skin, wash immediately with plenty of soap-suds.
S29 Do not empty into drains.
S30 Never add water to this product.
S33 Take precautionary measures against static discharges.
S35 This material and its container must be disposed of in a safe way.
S36 Wear suitable protective clothing.
S37 Wear suitable gloves.
S38 In case of insufficient ventilation, wear suitable respiratory equipment.
S39 Wear eye / face protection.
S40 To clean the floor and all objects contaminated by this material, use .... (there follows suitable cleaning material).
S41 In case of fire and / or explosion do not breathe fumes.
S42 During fumigation / spraying wear suitable respiratory equipment.
S43 In case of fire use ... (there follows the type of fire-fighting equipment to be used.)
S45 In case of accident or if you feel unwell, seek medical advice immediately (show the label whenever possible.)
S46 If swallowed, seek medical advice immediately and show this container or label.
S47 Keep at temperature not exceeding...
S48 To be kept wet with (there follows a material name).
S49 Keep only in the original container.
S50 Do not mix with ...
S51 Use only in well ventilated areas.
S52 Not recommended for interior use on large surface areas.
S53 Avoid exposure - obtain special instructions before use.
S56 Dispose of this material and its container at hazardous or special waste collection point.
S57 Use appropriate container to avoid environmental contamination.
S59 Refer to manufacturer / supplier for information on recovery / recycling.
S60 This material and its container must be disposed of as hazardous waste.
S61 Avoid release to the environment. Refer to special instructions / safety data sheets.
S62 If swallowed, do not induce vomitting; seek medical advice immediately and show this container or label.

Even if it was S4, it still wouldn't be centered. The 'For Internal Use' perhaps means that whatever it is can't be taken outside the premises of the hospital?

Just because I was really bored, and sort of curious, I took a copy of both this photo and the close up into photoshop. By changing the contrast and brightness levels, it becomes clear that the only obviously missing letters on the door are in fact "& S4." I then matched the letter size and added the missing items back.

Keeping in mind the fact that Motts took this picture at an angle and not straight on, when you rotate the image accordingly there is still a minor distortion of angle, but it does seem to appear that with the accounting for that and the added lettering returned, it is all in fact centered on the door itself.

The EC list posted above shows that S1 means the items are to be kept locked up, as evidenced by the well used lock on the door. S4 states the items in question are to be kept out of living quarters.

Since this was a hospital it would only make sense that anything that could be classed as a poison would be required to be locked up, and certainly out of the range of the patients living areas.

As for the internal use part...well that could mean like Foxtrot just said, that whatever was kept there was not to be taken off premises.

Then again, everything from cigarettes to cleaning supplies, to most patient medications could be poisonous if used incorrectly, so internal use could mean just about anything that could be used in the facility that they didn't want to have in an unsecure storage anywhere where the patients or other unauthorized person could get access to it.

haha, no matter what the explanation, that's pretty darn funny.

Damn nice work, Felyne.

all your comments concerning s1 are unfounded - clearly s1 is ST which clearly means either STORED, OR STRICTLY.

That... That would be the liquor cabinet.

Any mental institute would not support the consumption of alchohol on the premises, either for the patience or staff...think about it you stupid yank!

Barking - I'm glad that you're so intelligent, but let's try not to make our comments so insulting. Please read the below note reference leaving flaming comments.

*holds tongue from suggesting the rabid dog be muzzled*

Well, actually back in the beginning, beer and whiskey WERE available to staff and some patients on a regular basis. I have a number of old Annual Reports for the various "asylums" that list out everything they purchased that year, and wine, whiskey, beer, and cigarettes were in many of the older reports (up until maybe the 1920s or so). Obviously there were hospitals devoted entirely to "inebriates", but there weren't very many of them in the United States because people who were alcoholics and/or drug addicts were not considered to be "insane" until later years. In many cases they were housed elsewhere than were people who were considered to be "insane" or "feeble-minded." The inebriate hospital was something they had more of in Great Britain, if I remember correctly. However, there were a number of smaller private "sanitariums" in the US that catered to alcoholism and "narcotic fiends."

P.S. From "The 18th Annual Report of the Trustees of the Willard Asylum for the Insane for the year 1886" - Schedule A - "An abstract of the vouchers audited by the Committee on Audits":

Audit date: November 7, 1885
No. of Voucher: 31
Item: New Urbana Wine Co.
For: wine
Amount: $39.52
No. of Voucher: 79
Item: L. W. Kaufman
For: whiskey
Amount: $69.00

Audit date: December 8, 1885
No. of Voucher: 156
Item: New Urbana Wine Co.
For: wine and grapes
Amount: $60.92

Audit date: January 7, 1886
No. of Voucher: 283
Item: L. W. Kaufman
For: whiskey
Amount: $66.75
No. of Voucher: 301
Item: New Urbana Wine Co.
For: wine
Amount: $38.67

Audit date: February 8, 1886
No. of Voucher: 468
Item: New Urbana Wine Co.
For: wine
Amount: $40.37
No. of Voucher: 557
Item: L. W. Kaufman
For: whisky (sic)
Amount: $69.00

For four months at that time, that was one heck of a lot of money to spend on alcohol if no one was imbibing.

I also purchased a lovely letter the other day on eBay dated July 6, 1893 from the Superintendent (O.R. Long, M.D.) of the "Michigan Asylum for Dangerous and Criminal Insane" in Ionia, Michigan, to the Pleasant Valley Wine Company of New York (it's still there, too) asking for prices on their "Great Western brand of champagne for this asylum."

Mad the lot of you!

Why, yes we are - thank you for noticing! [Beams with pride]

P.S. I actually don't believe that this particular area that Motts photographed (above) was used for alcoholic beverages, but I had just recently learned that beer, wine, and whiskey WERE purchased by institutions in the "old days", and I thought it was an interesting fact. :-)

Lynne, you used the Audit word! Repetitively!

I'm being audited at the moment, 3 years consequectively... it's severly noising my calm.

Lynne,
During prohibition, you could get an "RX' to legally purchase alcohol from your "doctor", usually for Whiskey. You can also find many real, old prescrptions, handwritten, with patients name and diagnosis on Ebay. Just search "prohibition". HIPPA, anyone? I imagine some of those people whose names they post and sell on those old rx's could still be around....

in the Queen's english, would internal use also refer to the interior of the structure? could these be poisons used to control various vermin or insects?

That's what I was thinking... I bet it was easy to get infestations in places of this size and maybe they needed to store poisons for a rather regular use.
Would a hospital use the term "poisons" for medicine?

i have more info on this... back in 2004 there was an internal and external poisions door in that cupboard

Our morphine/oxycontin/dilaudid etc drugs are schedule 8 drugs (S8) kept in locked safes. Maybe S1 drugs in the UK are cytotoxics like chaemo or opiates like our S8's are. Any UK nurses out there?

I think it's cigarettes, there is a smoking room. Besides, I don't think they could poison them, wouldn't that be against the law or is it a new law that your not allowed to kill somebody?

The point being the contradiction in the words!
National Geographic has an issue about different poisons and what they can do to a person, scary information.

leave it to some vandle to do somthing like that

cool trick lol

it actually looks like if any thing were following the "S1" it was more numbers for some reason....doesnt so much resemble not

I worked in this hospital for a few months in the early 1970s. It's a medicine cupboard on a ward. The word 'poison' is to keep patients from trying to open it.

"poisons" are often used in operating equipment -ie X ray machines, pre-test drugs, etc, not just 'fun drugs'. Barium?? etc. and the like- ect. don't read so much into the use of the word, esp. in a foreign country. What is the Welsh word for poison?

PS - in the USA during prohibition on e could obtain an rx for whiskey, etc. from an MD. I am sure these were less than medicinal. You can find many for sale on E Bay

i'm not sure of the legislation in the UK, but here in Australia drugs and poisons are classified using a drug schedule, which currently runs from S2 to S9. The S1 classification, which is now defunct, was for "substances which are of such extreme danger to life as to warrant their being supplied only by medical practitioners, nurse practitioners authorised...pharmacists, dentists, veterinary surgeons or persons licensed..."
(thanks wikipedia!)

S2 - Pharmacy medicine
S3 - Pharmicist-only medicine
S4 - Prescription-only medicine
S5 - Caution
S6 - Poison
S7 - Dangerous Poison
S8 - Controlled Drug
S9 - Prohibited Substance

just a bit of info. :)

Oh come on people, this is obviously where they kept the poisons they slipped into the patients food =P

*ducks and runs away from Lynne*

Kidding, the above statements make sense.

Devil Kitty Designs has the right idea, that's definitely what it said. The rest we may never know unless we go there and open it.

PS I love the random piece of tape XD

Is anyone else laughing at this
Feel like i shouldn't be

Bit unnerving for me.....lol

wow, that is a lot of info to take in....ALOT but none the less, thanks to those who looked into it.

well this is cool .

Is this seriously taken from inside Denbigh Nut House? I only live up the road and I let my dog run over the fields at the front. Is the white building part of the big cathidral looking building?? I get confused...Although, they are doing some asbestos removal thingy at the moment but i dont wish for it to be knocked down. They should do it up like it was, like a museum, and let people in like they did at Plas Teg in Pontyblyddyn :)

I'm a nurse in the uk. In the older hospital the medicine cupboard consisted of 3 cupboards in 1 with 3 separate keys.
Key 1 opened the big medicine cupboard which contained the usual everyday drugs.
Key 2 opened a cupboard inside this cupboard and held the 1 in 4 drugs or scheduled drugs such as anti depressants, night sedation and strong painkillers.
Key 3 opened the last cupboard which was inside the 1 in 4. This smaller cupboard was called the DDA cupboard (dangerous drugs act) and held the opiates etc.
The 1 in 4 cupboard had "poisons" written in red on the door, and the DDA cupboard, obviously DDA. Scheduled drugs and DDA's are poisons.
Hope this explains things a bit. I don't know what S1 means though.

Internal use as in internal for the hospital maybe?

knowone knows what happened in this place but i do

what happened in this place? how do u get in? is it recommended? what would they use poisons for? anyone wana take us for a tour in there? jenyakuch@hotmail.com.. thanks

I work in a hosital in Canada. To this day, we still provide alcohol for pateints. If someone is a sevre alcoholic, to prevent withdrawl they will be given small amounts under a Dr.s persciption.

Incase you were wondering....

??????????? lol

I think they may hint at the word 'Schedule' under the terms of the 1968 Medicines Act. Medicines under certain 'Schedules' were termed 'Poisons' and in order to comply with the act had to be locked away (from other drugs) and certain other laws had to be adhered to.

it could be slang

"poisons is not for internal use" lmao