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The showers wrapped around the room in a U-shaped fashion; this photo was taken from inside a stall. Each stall had two shoulder-high bars to hang onto, and were behind a channel that drained the water. The control station in the center was a caged off area where the attendant could safely control the temperature and pressure of the hoses used to wash down the patients. There wasn't one shower head or a hole for one in the room. The pipes and controls have been stripped but the temperature gauges remain... on the right are my cohorts taking photos, and a bed that was pushed into the room some time ago. I would guess there was about 20 stalls in here.

I can see the advantages of washing many people down at once in an overcrowded and understaffed hospital, but seeing this bothers me even to this day. Maybe I have it all wrong and someone can explain this...
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I hope someone can explain it, I do agree, Sir Motts, I hope your first impression is incorrect.
reminds me way too much of nazi camps
If you wheren't crazy before the nazi shower you probley where after. That must have been some pedophiles dream come true.
Oh my...this is spooky all in itself, and the photo just gives a whole new life of it's own. How disturbing indeed!
Large "communal" showers were certainly not uncommon back in the overcrowded years, I am sorry to say. Can't say for sure that's what happened here, but it did used to happen quite often.
"Nazis" and "pedophiles" is rather extreme, since this was pretty much how we all had to shower when I was in junior high and high school. :-)

Maybe they have individual stalls for everyone these days, though. It's been many a year since I was in a junior high or high school, and that was when I was doing psych testing for the school districts, and I luckily never needed to go near the showers. :-)
Also still similar in alot of prisons.
It's not the lack of individual stalls but rather the "hosing down" part that disturbs me.
I made a comment about the previous photo that could apply to this photo.
I do believe mass showering was thought of as a timesaver. Hosing down in particular would get the job done even faster. I doubt the patients showered daily. What a horrible thing to have to undertake-by both staff and patients.
this is one of the creepiest pics yet. the images it produces are terrifying
Institutionalized showering, as seen on Alcatraz island and wherever else your travels take you.
This photo frightens me...
I agree with you Motts, the thought of hosing down a bunch of people is disturbing, albeit it may have been the only way they could do it.
LESS THAN HALF OF WSH REMAINS TODAY. AT SOME TIME THERE MAY HAVE BEEN MORE SHOWERS AND BATHING AREAS.
It is difficult to explain to people the horrible dehumanization of institutional psychiatry; it is difficult for people to listen and believe, because who WANTS to think people treat people this way? (And all subsequent improvements are incremental at best, btw...).

This little washdown facility may have doubled as routine mass hygiene and as intervention/punishment. Think of COLD water.
Cold water was always a possibility if the state didn't provide adequate funding for enough electricity or if there was a cruel staff member in charge of showers. This did happen in the community as well, however. Rather than thinking that institutions are a separate and specified place, it's important to keep in mind that in reality "an institution is not a place, it's a state of mind." This is a quote from Tom Pomerantz, a psychologist who does training programs for staff who work with folks with intellectual disabilities. Having worked in schools, hospitals, group homes, nursing homes, foster homes, private homes, and institutions, I assure you that what happens "in there" also happens "out here." Right now, in fact, if you do not live with your own family you may even be safer in an institutional setting (at least for folks in MR/DD settings) because of the many, many, many pairs of eyes that look at you every day, a minimum of three times a day. If someone has so much as a pimple and the previous shift does not write it up they can be in serious legal trouble. This does not happen in other settings because you don't have the same number of people coming through on a daily basis. That is the positive and the negative at the same time.

In group homes or private home settings some pretty horrible abuse happens and can continue to happen for a long stretch before someone discovers it. And hopefully it will be discovered before someone has died. In institutions today the staff have to do body checks at shower time every day on every single client and they also do a brief lookover at every shift change because they know if something is found that they didn't report, they will be called in to explain it. This doesn't mean they strip them down and do a cavity search - but they MUST do a quick check and make sure the person doesn't have any obvious cuts, bruises, "booboos," nicks, etc. I get incident reports every day over pimples and shaving nicks and mosquito bites and hangnails. I get incident reports if someone bumps into someone else or falls down and there isn't any apparent injury. I get an incident report if someone sneezes too hard.

As is the case everywhere else, abuse still occurs in institutions, just as it does in the house next to you and maybe even your own home. But I can pretty much guarantee you that it will be found much quicker and an end will be put to it much more quickly when you have lots of people whose job it is to watch to make sure you are safe and that your injuries are explainable. If there is the slightest doubt, we send staff home or to another area until an investigation occurs and abuse/neglect is ruled out. If someone has advanced osteoporosis and their t-score is so far off whack that you can't believe they are able to bear weight without snapping and they then break a bone, we are still going to do an investigation, because we owe it to the people we have said we would watch out for.

Abuse happened and happens, but it is decreasing as the culture that created/supported it changes. However, if people continue to look for ugly things and believe the worst of everyone, pretty soon that is all that will exist for them and they'll be as trapped in their own cynicism as some people seem to want to believe that every single resident of an institution was "trapped".

I am not "pro" or "anti" institution; I am "pro" or "anti" the attitudes and behavior of the people who work there. This mirrors the outside culture. Simple as that. If you are lucky enough to have a family with the love, the means, and the resources to take care of you, that is usually the very best place to be. But for the rest of us we should be lucky enough to end up where the majority of the people who work truly care about us.

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Another fantastic post by Lynne. It seems that people assume that the ECT, chemical coshing' and neglect of their worst institutional nightmares still goes on, even in the modern age of human rights lawyers and formal, written procedures for everything.

All through my school years we were expected to take communal showers in a room very similar to this following games (physical ed) lessons. No-one ever called these dehumanising or exploitative, despite the fact that at 14 or 15 years old we were seeing one another as naked as the day we were born. And as far as I know they are still in use to this day.

Frequently the showers were cold because the education authority that funded the school couldn't afford to heat the water. No word of a lie. And a good friend of mine who was, erm, rather larger than average (about 25 stone, or so he later told me) was often on the end of abusive and foul-mouthed comments from other students. He sucked it in and dealt with it. Wrong of course, but certainly not unusual.

My point being that if they could 'subject' a load of 15 year-olds to this just a decade ago, is it so terrible that it happened in psychiatric establishments?
Oh, rich, you are marvy! :-)
Here are some additional maxims from Dr. Pomerantz's website that may apply:

+Institutions are not built, they arise from indifference.
+You cannot move to the community, it must be built.
+When you change the way in which you see things, the things you see change.
+Being on a community placement list is not seeing the light at the end of the tunnel, it is standing on the edge of the precipice.
Awww thanks! Mind, I just read back through the previous messages though and realised you made exactly the same point a few weeks ago! Well, that will teach me to review a thread before I post to it *d'oh!*

And incidentally I can see where you're coming from regarding community placements. Some people (like the girl I work with mentioned in another post) benefit massively from it, but 'Care in the Community' (as we term it) has arguably been a monumental failure on a wider level, since many ex-patients ended up homeless and isolated, or living alone without adequate support in dingy social housing, often harming themselves, and in a few extreme cases others through lack of supervision, neglecting to take meds etc. Few of the former patients of large institutions have family / friends to fall back on, which simply compounds the problem.

Closing institutions is all well and good provided there's adequate structures in place to meet the needs of the patients in other ways. I suspect that much of the motivation behind the move to community care was a dramatic reduction in expenditure brought about by expecting people to fend for themselves.
rich,

I figure that people do the same thing I did when I first found this site, and that is that they grab a section and go through it and then haphazardly look through whatever grabs their fancy. Given how many stunning sections of photographs are here, that means you could end up anywhere. Every time I see an assumption in a comment that "the world is black-and-white" and "everything associated with institutions is/was evil" it seems that, in all fairness, some clarification is warranted. It drives me that people have already made assumptions about "how all institutions were" or "how all staff were" or even "how all people who lived in these places were." I suppose I am always hoping that people will stop for a second and examine their prejudices, but I suppose I have always been somewhat of a rosy-eyed optimist. ;-)
Well Lynne, I found this place by googling for abandoned institutions... I lost my UE virginity (so to speak) a while back in an old TV studio in Leeds and fancied giving an old facility on the edge of town a look.

I stuck around after I found the Danvers pages (my girlfriend, who lives in MA, told me abou this one) and became fascinated by Pennhurst just because it's so unbelievably eerie and there's a wealth of information on the Web about it (and so many stories surrounding the place). It's a perfect candidate for a film IMO...

At first I spent about 3 days going through the site looking at all the incredible photos, now I tend to check the Comments section first for interesting posts. But there's so many ways to explore it, kinda like an abandoned building I guess!

Either way I think it's the combination of the incredible 'eye' Motts has for a good image, the subject matter itself and the fascinating comments which are the perfect accompaniment to the photographs which makes this site one to visit daily.
from"Divine commedy"(il vestibolo infernale)
"per me si va nella citta' dolente;per me si va nell'eterno dolore..........
One thing to remember is that for people with Mental Retardation, developmental disabilities or many mental illnesses, the institutional life could be very comfortable.

Now, I don't mean comfortable in the down comforter and feather bead sense of the word, but things in the institution are stable and unchanging. Meals are served on time at the same time. Everything is done on a routine and therefore there are no surprises, nothing unexpected. When you are MR/DD or have certain mental disorders changes and surprises can be down right intimidating if not plain frightening.

Moving out of a place like this after years or decades would be like being suddenly dropped in a foreign country. That was what I did. I worked in transitional facilities for Mentally Retarded multiply diagnossed former institutional "inmates." My clients' biggest fears were not communal showers or bed checks, but living in a world where life does not happen the same way every day.
...We analyze and critique all that we do not experience nor live within...but cannot fathom nor justify our own lives nor homes nor humanity!

...I'll say again, externally and internally, the purpose of these places was sanctuary.
These were not horrific places to begin with....(some of the history is bad, bad ,bad, but...) the reason for them was good and caring.
This being said ,in my opinion...there probably were some pretty horrible happenings over the years.
If we circumnavigate the whole
imprisonment/ institution/ asylum issue and look beyond our ken and try to see the core, we may see, again, that these buildings were built as homes...sanctuaries....
Look at postcards of some of the more respectful hospitals (a lot of these hospitals are on this site!) and see that there was pride in the facilities! Changes in the internal structure are due to stress, misunderstanding, misinformation, egoism, and mis-staffing (not, mind ya'll, in order.) Those changes alone caused potential and permanent damage . Oh yeah, they did.
Visceral? look at the buildings and know, in your gut that they were built for good...I'm an optomist as were many of the people involved with the building of the places and the running of them.
I do realize that there were some wrongs (OK, maybe many-as in any sociaty) and they can't be righted .
Presently, I guess my jabbering applies....
er..I meant in any "society"....
Getting even more philosophical...once we were an orally historic society (nothing to do with histolology ;-] )
...now, more of a visually historic one.
What do we have without our buildings...our recorded words?
Intaglio rules -)
*Brrr...*
That pic gives me the Hebily Jebies!
Just... *Brrr...*
Thats gonna give me night mares
How the hell did you get in there!
Lynne: >Having worked in schools, hospitals, group homes, nursing homes, foster homes, private homes, and institutions, I promise you that what happens "in there" also happens "out here."<

No argument there. NY has involuntary outpatient commitment and I've seen / known of atrocities in a wide variety of settings. Inpatient psychiatry doesn't have a monopoly by any means.

Be that as it may...

rich_edwards: > It seems that people assume that the ECT, chemical coshing' and neglect of their worst institutional nightmares still goes on<

They do. Involuntary electroconvulsive treatment still takes place in NY's psych centers. (Not each and every one of them, but yes, they have procedures and those procedures set forth exactly how one imposes electroshock on folks against their will when they wish to do so). And yes, neuroleptic drugs and shock are both used as punishment for unwanted behavior.
thats right lynne in junior high we were herded through tiled walls with showers spray6 coming out all about, ' keep moving" some of these comments dont consider some things , but in general these are moody sad pictures of a brooding time and bygone times of lives here..
.!!!...Strong verbal reactions are the answer to strong visuals, Msr. Motts!!!

To me, this is only one of the reasons why your site is so fantastic.... (I'll rave more another time., OK, now.)

Your photos compel responses from many of us . I think all of our comments prove that your work "catches " tremendously varied emotions, and compels us to verbalize our feelings...an opaque rainbow of emotions, lets say....
Much like the reaction to the work of a great painter or sculpturer would be ( yeah, I sayed it! )
Because of the feelings generated, the work ends up having a following.
I love the following.

Opacity....
...As said in a comment: people find a location (here) interesting or relevant to them (or "whatever grabs their fancy ") and then make their assumptions: Perhaps believing that life is only, "black and white" (like the photos) ; or that life seems only bad or good; that it only digresses or progresses; that we only have ONE way of seeing things.
Emotions are not refutable.

Opacity....
Nothing is black or white only.
Nothing is this or that way only... it ain't so. It just ain't so...not in photos, not in movies, not in any time-line is anything only black or white; one way or another (except on a one-way street, remember for safety, please!)
Don't assume your friend or child or dog loves parsley or hot peppers as much as you do....
This said, mind you, I want it to be know that I don't do this personally. Assume, I mean... well, I really try not to cause I know too much to do this! And , well Bennie Hill said, " Never assume...."

Anyway...strong sentiments are loved by all.
Thanks from "quest" to everyone who has moved into this "community" because someone (Monsieur Motts and crew, I speak of you) cares enough for this community to be built. :-)
Lynne,
could the purpouse of these showers been for delousing patients?
I have seen the shower room at some of the concentration camps in Europe and they look nothing like this .. there were no controls inside the shower's in any of the concentration camps if yo want to state that then so be it ..
No, these particular showers are just standard communal showers, like in junior high and high schools. Frankly, they give more privacy than our shower room afforded in junior high - it was just a large communal room with shower heads hooked up to the walls and no individual stalls.
I think I remember reading or being told that for institutions the delousing liquid was put in a pail or basin and then you doused yourself or were doused with it. The cost associated with constructing delousing showers would not have been part of an institution's budget. Actually, I am not familiar with them being used anywhere but in Germany, but I am very likely wrong. Anyone else know?
Agreed, Kaylia.
Agreed Lynne

The ones in the concentration camps were very different they did not know if it was going to be gas or water they were given soap and told to wash the next time it was the gas ..
Has anyone read Nellie Bly's "10 Days in a Mad House"? Now that kind of clean up rivals communal showers with hose downs, Mr. Motts...
hosing people down is not very "shower friendly" It really is interesting to know how different things were in the later years, and I am sure that nobody thought twice about how patients dignitiy were taken from them. No matter what anyone says, this is not a dignified way to bath a patient, no matter how hard they are to deal with. I have been pooped,spit, vomitted on and been hit( pretty bad too, I received stitches at one time.)and through all that I still could never imagine "hosing someone down" just a scary thought in my book!!!!
"in junior high - it was just a large communal room with shower heads hooked up to the walls and no individual stalls. "

that is how it was at my junior high and highschool :o/
We dont have to shower togother, or even atall in High School anymore.
wow it does remind one of a concentration camp! very creepy
23 years ago I had an internship next door at the more "modern" hospital and we used to explore the abandoned buildings during our breaks. We saw several cell-like rooms with restraining devices. Filing cabinets full of documentation from 19th century. Creapy baths and showers. Yet the place we worked in wasn't much different, with its padded rooms, desks with straps for autistic children, etc....
I got you all beat. In my jr. high school we had communal showers... but the plumbing came up through "posts" in the center of the room - not the walls. The posts had something like 6 shower heads on it. You didn't get the luxury of staring at the wall while you showered... you just had other people to your sides and in front of you. As if the phallic shower heads weren't bad enough... it wasn't a gentle shower of water that came out - it was a razor sharp stream of water. Quite unplesant.
i didn't read through every comment here but it seems like there is an image of lower legs on the bottom right...anyone else see this?
Chris, if you read the information below the picture, you will see that Motts comments on the person taking a picture on the right.
The temperature gauges make me think it might have been a hydrotherapy room. Hydrotherapy, or hydropathy, became very popular in spas during the eighteenth century as a voluntary medical treatment, and the temperature of the water was an important part of the cure. People might take hot or cold baths, get sprayed with water, or allow themselves to be wrapped in wet sheets as cures for different illnesses. What is chilling is that in mental health treatment, these cures were used involuntarily. I wonder if the photographer saw another room with several bathtubs? A popular treatment for manic or psychotic people was to wrap them in canvas and put them in a tub of tepid water for eight hours, every day for several days. Depressed people got sprayed with hot water.
No, mostly everything had been cleaned out or destroyed in the fire, I'm sure there were hydrotherapy tub rooms though, as most old asylums had them.
My 13 year old daughter is mentally retarded. I hope that she would never have to end up in an institution. But the realitiy is that if something ever happened to me, that one day she might have to go and there would be nothing that I could do about it. Since my mother is dying of brain cancer and her father is a moron. It might be her only place to go. Fortunately in Oklahoma they have a program called ddsd and they help to keep her in my home and look out for her best intrests.
DIMITRT.............. I would love to see pictures of that place do you have any????? If so send them to Buddytwou@aol.com Please
sorry if this was mentioned before,i didnt read all of the comments, but i looks like you werent alone in here. If you look at the bottom of the caged room, and go right just a little, it looks like a foot on the ground, semi-transparent, and a whole leg to go with it. I cant make out the whole body but this pic really interested me, so i examined and found it. It also looks like by the leg figure, there is a stray light floating in the picture, which also could be a sign of the supernatural.
yea and it looks like theres a coat above it
*sighs* If it's on the right the apparation is actually Mott's photography companion. Read the writing below the picture, or about 2-5 comments above where someone said the same thing.

lol.

Anyways, nice photo Motts. I think its very interesting of how patients were washed.

Oh, nowadays. In my middle school there was three showers (stalls within stalls actually so quite private- no joke) but no one ever used them, and the water was turned off in them anyways.

My high school has private stalls too. Yay. I'm in high school now woot woot.

Lol anyways. Also, in pools and stuff they normally just have a room with some showerheads and soap dispensers. Though you are in your bathing suit......

Just my input. =)
unfortunately most "sanitariums" were way understaffed and still are. What we pay human services workers is a statement to how our society views people.... as this is very often the cause of understaffing.
for the record the showers at my junior high were way worse....
After hearing former clients of mine tell me how they were taken outside and hosed down in the middle of winter at the Ladd School, or how even worse, they were never given showers because they were too "high functioning" to need assistance, but not able to function well enough to bathe themselves....i think being bathed in one of these rooms would be a blessing.
Please remember that many (too many) citizens of this country (and others I am sure) lived here. And by lived, I mean this was the only home they may have had. Ever. Whether because family members had washed their hands of them, (often the case) or were unable to care for them properly...and provide for their "special needs". Thankfully care for DD, PDD and severe MH issues has come a long way (at least up North)...consider the alternatives....but it has a long way to go still.
Remember..."there but for the grace of god..."
oh, yeah....

and if your community MH or MR program lacks funding....
and is forced to consider returning to a earlier model in order to provide any sort of care....
thank a republican.
[Huddles in awe and thankfulness at catydid's feet.]
Think about it for a minute. Put yourself in the shoes of the staff. Have any of you ever been to a place like this when it was operational? The patients were very (Excuse my language) fucked up people. Some of them could not bathe themselves or even dress themselves. The only way for the staff to clean them was in this fashion.
Ok its obvious every picture i click on i'm going to get freaked out cant you have a flower field on here! i'm scared if i click again i might see a dead girl.
The hydrotherapy room, hot and cold treatment, and shock therapy rooms are located within the circular offset of the main hospital building, all of the beds that were used are still all set up in a circle... The main route to them has been collapsed in... BUT... if you go up high enough in the building, up to the fifth floor, head all the way in the direction of that area, you can then take the stairs down past the collapsed part of the building and head straight for them... just a little info... [admin edit: entry info removed] just follow the red spray paint marks along the walls and the white yarn that is laying on the floor... if you get lost, just look for the white yarn, it'll lead you to an exit... not that i would know or left that stuff!
I prefer to follow the green paint and black yarn.
Hahhaha, whatever floats your boat
Hahha, oops, didn't see that little disclaimer there about the entering of the property... oh well...
Titicut Follies: the movie.

Documentary filmed by Fredrick Wisemen in 1967--about Bridgewater State Hospital. "Originally banned by the State of Massachusettes for commercial release (outside the field of education). In 1992 , MS state supreme court overturned previous ruling.

Hosing, humiliation, and force-feeding of patients are all portrayed in the film--to a disturbling and brutaly real degree. The film maker/director says nothing nor questions anyone, rather just films the general going ons and interactions of patients, orderlies, nurses and doctors.

What is most disturbing about what is shown, is the general indifference and bullying on the part of the institutions staff--as well as the general conditons, treatment and "behavior modification" methods.

These are not Moral Treatment methods, by any stretch--on the contrary,..as one patient says while arguig his case to a doctor, "If your not mad when you come in here, you certainly will be when you leave...if ..you leave."

This is a great thread on an incredible site btw.

<sorry Lynne>
I don't mean to throw fuel on the "Institutionalized Treatment=Hell on Earth" fire. But you should definately check it out. It definately sticks with you for a few days afterward.
Hi Kirkfried,where did you view Titicutt Follies.I have always wanted to see that documentary.
wow. real discussions on a message board. who would've thunk it?
I've been in that abandoned Asylum in Worcester Exploring a few times before...& myself, my girlfriend, & my buddy Anthony were looking around in that Shower room, There was like 2-Foot Deep Puddles all over the place in there & some empty beer cans & what not.... The First time we went in over Summer of 2006, uuuh My buddy Almost got attacked by a Bat somewhere on the 3rd Floor, So every time after that we went in I went a little "Wild Animal Protection" With a fully loaded 6-Shot cylinder in a Chest Holdster.....
How did you get in there? I went and everything was boarded up.
There is no way that I would take a shower in that freak of a room !!!

Signed: An American Soldier in Germany.
holy shit!
This was the best place in the world as a kid. I gotta tell you, I have broken in as well but there is a house at the end of Rocky Point Road (??) next to the sign that you have posted. A horrific murder took place there, its an awesome place to check out if you can.
Melissa
In worcester?
when I worked at WSH 54-56 for 2 months I ran patients shower rm, male side. WE never hosed down inmates not even when we had down the violent ward patients...
Melissa:

Please tell the us the murder story.

Thank you.

Signed: An American Soldier stationed in Mannheim, Germany.

2:25 P.M. / Saturday / 21 / July / 2007
anyone notice the feet and legs of a person in this photo
i have seen somewhat similar rooms (perhaps smaller) in developmental centers (read: institutions for people with developmental disabilities) in Louisiana in the last 10 years
wow.
this is really disturbing looking.
/:
I rather take a mud bath.
I dont think being hosed down sounds that horrible. I live in India and bathe myself with cold water from a bucket. Trust me, it wouldnt take much coaxing to have me stand in one of those stalls for a nice hot hosedown. anytime. I WOULD prefer more privacy.... but like others have mentioned... my high school shower-room... and the typical YWCA shower room doesnt have much more privacy than this.
i was in charge of male shower room 54 to 57 at WSH NO ONE was ever hosed down !
I used to work in a Cetre that housed the physically disabled, and people with slight mental disablities. There was a large room in one part, that had the same tiles 1/2 way up the walls that were the same as the ones on the floor, with a large drain all the way around - apparently, all those yrs ago they used to get hosed off. Thankfully things changed when I worked there - poor prople :(
At the time these showers were built, many public schools had rudimentary showers or were installing spartan group showers. Public hygeine overruled privacy concerns, especially for boys who were going to be of draft age anyway and would end up in military style accomodations. No big deal.
there was one purpose and one purpose only for showers like this- to shower people. Old school places like this were always very understaffed and people with mental illness or physical or mental disabilities were treated as objects rather than people they do not use communal showers like these in institutions here anymore ( aus) and thankfully they don't hang people with challenging behaviours in gunney sacks on the walls either- we've come a long way baby!
it creeps me out to think of nurses hauling mental patients into this room to hose them down...probably about once a week.
Was the shower room here inside the wards? Because I explored the ward very throughly a couple weeks before they were raised and I couldn't find them.
Yes, I believe they were in the central portion of what was left of that wing.
This photo makes me sadder than any other I have seen on this site. Not so much because of what it shows (it was typical for public facilities of the times, public health/hygiene more important than personal privacy, emphasis on expediency and efficiency due to staff and monetary shortages) but because it confirms what my former client told me. The communication was rudimentary, non-verbal, fragmented, difficult to interpret...but it was the TRUTH. What other truths have clients tried so desperately to communicate with anyone who would listen, with ME, and I have been unable to understand or have not believed???
In nurses training in 1970 my entire class was taken on a field trip to a looooovely facility called [name removed] in OH. It is closed now and may even be gone. The things I saw that day almost made me leave nursing. Patient's were strapped to beds or restrained in chairs. Some of them were not able to conmmunicate except by screaming. There were MR/DD and mentally ill all in the same areas. The ages were young children and up. The rooms were packed. Cribs by adult beds. I can't remember if this area was the ward or a day room. I am hoping in my mind that it was a day room where all ages mixed. Many of the patient's reached out to us and seemed hungry for human contact. It was and is the worst "medical housing" I have ever experienced. It felt like there were warehousing people.
But it was worse when they closed all of the facilites in my part of the state. There was very little provision made for most of the patients. They were mostly taken back to the county they originally were from and became a burden to the county. Many group homes were opened. Most of the MR/DD stayed in the homes. The mentally ill....not so much. I live in the county seat and many of the mentally ill stay in my town so they can walk to the offices that provide their benefits. So we have "crazy" people walking around town all of the time. Many of my neighbors are afraid of these people. The folks are not violent, but they act out and scare people.
The old way was bad and probably Very bad in many instances, but this new way is not better. The only difference is now there is no large hospital building for the state to support. The mentally ill are still underserved and abused, but now this happens because there is no where for them to go. They live on the streets, in garages with no plumbing, and anywhere they can find. They do not wish to be confined and with the current laws unless they are a danger to themselves or someone else there is no way to force them to stay anywhere. Some of them choose the street over the nice warm dry housing they were originally assigned. So do we have it right this time? My answer is NO. Do I have an idea that addresses all of the needs? NO, but I wish I did.
Getting down off the soap box now. Thanks for listening.
:)
WHATs that white line on the corne on the right? Is there somebody there?
For the millionth time, read the description under the photo - it's Mott's companions taking pictures!! Now, as for the showers, I recall in my early high school years that in PE class there were centralized shower areas and not only were we expected to bathe together, in those days, you had to go in the swimming pool NAKED. Yes, they did not allow swim suits for some ungodly reason, so you were expected to swim naked with 30 other guys. Needless to say it was a traumatic experience all around. Of course if I had to do it now, it wouldn't be a big deal. But as a 13 - 14 year old, it was too much to handle. Especially since at this time (early 70's) they did not keep the area very clean and there were stories circulating about catching all these horrible diseases from the water and dirty floors.
i was in the new...well it still is shitty.but the hospital next to the one that is being taken down and the reason showers are like that is because wll i mean its basic comman sense. i was there for holding. but there are people who cut themselves, people who want to hang themselves and people who dont see living as a thing to care about. in the old days hospitals were a place to bring the sick and those people were looked upon as not wanted. so not very many people wanted to work with them or had the patience or strength. showers the most easiest time to hurt yourself.you are already bare and on the heads of the shower you can hang yoursef.at least thats waht the girls tried to do when i was on 7c in worcester state. so to jsut pile them all in there and have someone in the cage watching them is the easiest. i think living on a ward and actually seeing it its alot easier to understand....
poor poor patients, there so much better off now in the streets homeless and being eaten alive by maggots, i think alot of those people would rather be in an institution. give me a break
idk but somewhere in the photo near the grate thing on the right there seems to be sumthing tht looks like boots and legs HOLY SHIT
you see back then prisons did not have very much money, so by eliminating wall in between showers it saved about three thousand dollars in money. and two reasons why they would wash the people is... one: they are paralyzed and can't do it two:they are just lazy and if you make them do it their selfs they will put up a fight.
I worked at tewksbury state and saw some old cement floor rooms with a drain in the center. I was told that some of the patients (severely impaired) were hosed down daily in this room and bowls of food slid in becuase they did not want to get near them. they could not keep clothes on them,
Amazing what rich and lively discussions arise from these pictures.
You take an Urbex-Picture and next moment find yourself in the middle of a discussion about the treatment of mentally ill and the history of psychiatry. How exciting!
Now , not only are many mentally ill folks homeless (thanks Saint Reagan!!), we are also seeing many psychotic folks placed in nursing homes and prisons which dosn't benefit anyone involved. The lucky ones are in residential settings, but when they have a break, good luck finding a psych bed. The old hospitals were far from perfect, but it seems in roughly 20 years we have gone from too many psych beds to not enough. Welcome to 3rd world USA. Happy 4th y'all, and let's not even talk about all the young war vets coming home with PTSD and worse.
fascinating. I would love to have a shower with a bunch of people here.
When I first saw this picture I automatically thought of the picture with the men sitting on the platforms sweating into the cups to be tested...is this the same room?
I don't think so, I think some of these "lab" rooms were clustered together in a relatively unfinished part of the basement. I recall being in this room, parts of the giant precision scale were still there. Wish I snapped some photos of it...

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