Room 114S

Kewl! We have a refrigerator at work that is starting to look like that on the front! 8`-) Nice little rust stains . . . . .

I hope those are rust stains...

Motts, I couldn't agree more than I already do.
Those rust stains really -are- beautiful. I just wish that more people could see them as that. Don't you?

God, I love your sick, twisted genius Motts. I think the stains could be gruesomely beautiful. Lemme get another beer, and I'll have another look.

Very very interesting indeed. A very good shot for a horror film I'd say. Rachael

It almost does look like blood.

paintball bullets, i think

i do belive that this peticular hallway was the set for a little movie called "In Dreams" and it was painted for the set. i suggest you watch it. you might see what im talking about. thank you for your time and money?

Rust doesn't run like that tho does it? I bet it's blood

Rust grows. It starts out as a 'spot' and works it's way around. The reason 'old timers' referred to rust on cars as 'cancer'.

In this case, being the above, it might be rust. Rust doesn't usually run, but it is possible. I do believe that heat, humidity and dampness could cause it to run.

It is not blood. :-)

Rust stains:

http://electricelf.org...idio_rust_stains.jpg
http://el-oso.net/blog...l-1999/photo/4401396
http://www.fotosearch.com/PHD173/bs02011/
http://www.corrosion-d...Arts/marine-rust.htm

Lynne, da'link, you might want to see a doctor about those smears.

As for "rust" or "blood" ... I'm leaning towards Karo Syrup, four drops of red food colouring with one drop of blue. "In Dreams" was a psychological thriller / horror film consisting of a lot of vivid, violent dream sequences (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120710/) where the heroine dreamt the killer's crimes before they occured.

To see the trailer, go here:
http://movies2.nytimes...ler.html?v_id=174352

However, if it's not stage blood, I'll cast my vote for rust. You see it all over the place in cities like San Fransisco, Bremerton and other "port" cities.

Karo syrup? Possibly some hobo once had his breakfast in there. He found some old hotcakes in a dumpster. Had enough pocket munny to buy some Karo at the 7-11.

After he found out the hotcakes were stale, he threw the Karo bottle against the door, effectively splattering it for future generations to figure out.

Well, PB, let it never be said you don't have an active imagination.

(P.S. Karo syrup is a base used a lot for "stage blood.")

you guys wanna see some blood !?

http://photobucket.com...man5-21-20051113.jpg

ha!

who cares what the stains are caused by, the fact that they could not put glass in, tells another story.

hey Lynne....is that blood? it looks like someone bashed their face against the door and split their cheek and broke their nose....and blood...yes blood, B-L-O-O-D went everywhere >;P

The ward was upper four south and that room was about par for the rooms for that ward. I worked at NSH. for fourteen years in the 60"s and 70's and I thought many times to bring in my polaroid and take photos of the patients in seclusion in those rooms where the temp. was about 60deg. and they were in wrist and ankle and pretty much in b'cou dicomfort. The whole deal was not romantic and ghosts did not abound at that time, but a lot of suffering did exsist . But I remind you a lot of good works by compassionate dedicated staff who at there own peril, put themselves out to these poor souls. The emphasis is on ghosts, it's romanticism and didn't exist at the time. At that time it was basic, raw , reality. Not unlike being in a war. The doors were metal and all the dampness just kind of bled rust. I do remember the poors souls behind those cold doors. If I had my wish I would raze all those buildings by fire just to purify them. There was a requeim back in the 90's to put all the souls to rest and they are. It's all the jerks who continually break in to the old place are shamefull. Let these souls rest in peace. It's no less than breaking into mausoleums and desacrating graves. Bless all my past friends on the hill, they deserve respect. John.

I hope someone is listening. Tough work, crappy hours, rotten pay, being aggressed against on an intermittent (if you're lucky) basis by some very dangerous people, and then being treated like dirt by "outsiders" who think all that ever happened was torture, mutilation, abuse, and murder. It's enough to piss a body off some days.

As well, when people act like the folks who lived in these places were nothing more than innocent souls whipped off the streets for the fun and amusement of the staff, it degrades the people who were sent here to live. The majority of these folks had some pretty serious issues going on. Years ago it was fairly easy to get committed somewhere. That has not been the case for many a long year. In the past several years I have sometimes spent weeks trying to get even a temporary commitment for someone who was suicidal/homicidal. The irony is that had the person gone through with the act before I was able to get them committed, *I* was the one who would have been sued. [Tarasoff v. Regents of the University of California]

Institutions - not always a fun place to work, not always a fun place to live. Sure beats the streets and shelters most of the time, and the folks who did their good deed by "freeing all the inmates" now get to hear about them dying by the truckload every winter down by the railroad tracks or under the local bridges, assuming their deaths even make it on the news.

Yes, yes, yes, lots of nasty stuff happened in these places. Some people shoulda gone to jail for it. That's a fact. However, the jerks who never gave enough money to these places shoulda gone to jail with the staff who were abusive. At least the abusers only hurt one or two people at a time. The people who denied funding to these places hurt/killed thousands of people at once by their penny-pinching antics. Now the abuse happens on the streets with no one to watch it happen and precious few people to intervene.

Once again, rather than being a little Johnny-one-note and bitching and whining about what hell-holes/ghost pits these places were/are, I am hoping to Christ y'all (especially those of you who constantly come on here and bleed about this) are getting off your asses and getting out there and doing something about it. If you're gonna talk the talk, walk the damn walk.

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This was your evening "public service rant du jour". We now return you to your regular programming where you can talk about how morbid and gruesome and pitiful these places are, how many tortured souls' ghosts you see floating about, and about how all the developmental centers sucked - you just don't care what the people who worked there say - they were obviously all assholes anyway. :-)

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God you're full of yourself Lynne.

I thought my other post had too little content. Maybe you didn't see -- this building opened its doors in the early 19th century. It's now the 21st century. Things change over a century. Who cares how you treat patients nowadays -- these buildings are far older than you or modern humane treatment.

Ok, so it's something we use to beat ~Me with? :D
Luke: you're an idiot. Life isn't in the past, it's in the future. Would you like us to hold you responsible for things your ancestors did?

No, Luke, I'm a piece of crap to people like you. And I don't mind that one bit, considering the source. [beams happily]

"Who cares how you treat patients nowadays" <-- now that's a piece of work, y'all. 8`-)

"Life isn't in the past, it's in the future. Would you like us to hold you responsible for things your ancestors did?"
But isn't THAT what America is all about? What our ancestors have done?
(At least that is the mindframe of most americans)

My ancestors killed Jewish people during WWII. In addition, some of my other ancestors fought and killed Nazi's during WWII, knowing that they were related to some. If I am to be held accountable for what one group did, it damn well better take into account what the other group did too.

Then again, since I personally had no part in what either side did, how can I be accountable for it? And if it wasn't done to you specifically (not you, Me, just a general sort of "you") how can you hold me accountable? But America isn't run on logic, so I still have people who were born in the 80's (like me) try to make me feel like I personally injured them during WWII. I generally tell them to fuck off, and walk away. It's easier than arguing. :D

Sketch, for a young fellow, you've got an old mind. I like that. Mauh.

I was being sarcastic in my earlier post.

Luke,
" It's now the 21st century. Things change over a century. Who cares how you treat patients nowadays"

We do, genius.

~Me: Yeah, my mind was already in its 30s when I was born... It made grade school rough (I kept getting in trouble for hitting on the teachers) :D

Luke/Grifspop: I care more about how patients are treated now than how they were treated then. If you were a patient now, would you care about how things used to be? "We do, genius" Hah!!! Classic!!! :D

Hey, Sketch, it's like Lynne says, we can't change how they were treated then, but we can now......

Tread gently, Luke, very gently. Unless, of course you are a masochist?

"Once again, rather than being a little Johnny-one-note and bitching and whining about what hell-holes/ghost pits these places were/are, I am hoping to Christ y'all (especially those of you who constantly come on here and bleed about this) are getting off your asses and getting out there and doing something about it. If you're gonna talk the talk, walk the damn walk."

So okay Lynne it's a crime that some of us are interested in paranormal activity or parapsychology?Just because not all of us are on some crusade for the rights of mental health workers/patients or whatever does not make us idiots.

Well, actually, I wasn't referring to you or even thinking about you - in the least teensiest tiniest way, and I am not sure I actually called anyone an idiot for ghost hunting - yet - but I do seem to have unintentionally drawn some blood.

I admit I do get concerned about people who are more interested in dwelling on the gory details of the bad times some of these folks had in the past than seeming at all concerned about ways of assuring that they have a good time in their present lives. So if that draws blood, well . . . .

Well, hell, perhaps nothing. If caring that these folks and their staff have a better life and wanting others to think about them while they are still alive so they don't end up having unhappy lives and feeling compelled to haunt abandoned places as round unattractive orbs forever makes me an activist, then I admit - I am guilty. First degree guilty and premeditated and even pre-medicated. I've certainly been called worse things than that, and by better people, but in my warped mind being a mental health activist and a staff activist is a good thing. If you lived in one of these places you sure as hell would be looking for an activist, I can promise you that.

OK - now I'm confused - was that intended as an insult? It's odd, I take that as one of the highest compliments anyone can get, so even though you didn't intend it, I thank you from the bottom of my cold, sterile, ghost-free heart, small as it is. :-)

I think she was trying to say that instead of complaining about how they were, do something about how they are. I didn't read that she was attacking ghost photographers (of which I include myself) specifically...

/Start-Rant
I, however, will. As someone who has been photographing ghosts since the late 90s, the sudden interest in it really pisses me off. Now that there are TV shows with people who, by the way, seem to go out of their way to break every rule for ghost photography, every idiot with a camera is seeing orbs. I looked at one picture someone took, then promptly smacked them for claiming that their cigarette smoke was a ghost. I'm so sick of reading the "OMG, it's a gohst orb!" posts on here. Did anyone stop to think that it might just be dust? These are old buildings... Motts isn't trying to photograph dust, so he doesn't have to check conditions like we do. What was the pollen count? What was the weather like? Knowing your surroundings is so important, and in photos like Motts' you can't know what he captured unless you were there and know there wasn't anything else.

To those who are attempting to photograph ghosts and are doing it right, I salute you and say thank you. To everyone else: you're making us look bad. Get another hobby.

/End-Rant

looks like blood to me! that is one freaky picture. and I love it!!!! *8)

Precisely what this venue should be about, a forum of opposing opines. Ya'll should be listening to mama Lynne, would be wise.

Sketch- it's the way of the world. It's entropy. Everything starts out cool and original and creative and fun, then somewhere along the way it gets more popular and well-known and then all the trendies jump on board and then the media notices and makes it a big deal and then even more idiots jump on board, till the whole thing is ruined. Punk rock is a perfect example of this. Everything ends up corrupted. And gets ruined for those people who are sincerely into it. However, if you wait long enough, all the trendy crowds will move on to the next hip thing. (Cheerful, aren't I, so early in the morning?)

Well, from all the varied opinions here I'd just like to say: Without looking to past however will we learn from our mistakes?

Past events, whether good or bad, shouldn't be discarded just as focusing on how things are now shouldn't be either. And Lynne, I got to say, I highly respect what you do.

As for the photo, it's very intriguing and very well done.

Ohhhh...Amazing o-o I'd love to do this kind of stuff...Wicked work ^^ 8D

freaky kool i love that

It doesn't matter what it is. It looks beautiful and scary... And it turn on our imagination. And makes us thinking about poor souls kept here - and that is the most important.

The way the rust stains are running down the door from the observation window makes me think of crying. Or like the room is purging itself of all the negative energy and feelings that once inhabited it, and maybe still do inhabit it.

Amy I like your comment. FYI when blood drys, it is a dark dark red,almost black.

I have a serious doubt that is blood. *Rolls eyes.* Thanks for the rants Lynne and Sketch, and I'm not being sarcastic.

whether its rust or blood, its just plain depressing and gross. the photographer has no business to be going to those places. That is creepy to say that those kind of things are beautiful..

Then why are you here?
Go away.

you know something Zebra..I can look at whatever kind of art I want. I am entitled to give my opinion about something whether anyone else likes it or not.

Be that as it may, don't bitch about the picture and bash the photographer if you choose to browse this site. This is his art form and people enjoy it, so get over yourself.

rust dont look like dat...it looks like old blood spots...like if da blood splashed on there from an impact to somebodys head or something....maybe one of the crazy people was running from a nurse and ran into the door head first...forgetting the door was closed...

[Sigh . . . . . . ]

looks like something out of a steven king movie;

i find it extremely beautiful. such a picture gives me chills at just the raw elegance of it.

I think all of these pictures you've taken are just INCREDIBLE. i've always wanted to go to noho state hospital since i was young. My dad works at Smith College and i went there with him constantly, always driving by this hospital. It's a shame to see that they're converting them into condos though (in my opinion, i don't think anyone would want to live on these grounds, due to what took place here before.) Visiting here would've been such a pleasure, but thanks to you I got to see inside it without actually being there. I've heard tons of spooky stories about it at night. Anyways, thank you again for taking these. Not only are they fantastic, it's almost like being there with you as you took them. It's just too bad it's all going to be gone soon.

Amazing how a picture, just a picture can create such debate, personal insight, and stir emotions.
Cliche away:
A picture is worth a thousand words.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

When all is said and done, it remains simply a photo taken by a gifted individual with an eye for art. I am growing to appreciate the fun and individuals here.

Looks like the door is crying blood

hmmm well first i find all, the comments here about this poor door are very interesting, all have great opinions. As a care provider i agree with a few of the individuals here let the past rest in the past and try to help the future of places like these.
yes there have been and still are very horrible places where people who are mentally sick are mistreated. but most are well taken care of and cared about from good staff weather it be in a mental hospital, emergency room , care of elderly and children. so please do not dwell on the drama of what might have happened and just see the picture for it's simplicity, and find what intrigues you personally about it . its a wonderful shot of something very old so how can you not see the beauty in that???

The stains are most likely "rust from within" the door itself.

O.o
this photo scares me

I need to stop reading the comments. I love the photography and history on this site, which is what it 's supposed to be all about, isn't it?