![]() |
Fuller State School and Hospital | | | Disturbed | ![]() |
|
|||
Please remember that the comments posted here are not the opinions of opacity.us or its affiliates.
Comments pertaining to real location names, methods of entering the property, promotions or advertisements, off-topic discussion and general flaming, as well as those submitted under various aliases are subject to immediate deletion and your ip address being banned from this website. By submitting your comment you agree to these terms. Visit the forum for off-topic and general discussion. To prevent your comment from being removed and to help keep this site uncluttered, please read more about comments on opacity.
Memories and stories from past employees, visitors or patients are gratefully welcomed, they help keep these places alive!
![]() |
Fuller State School and Hospital | | | Disturbed | ![]() |
In former days the emphasis was on economics - the budget was miniscule and that meant staffing was very low. In order to take care of the most people in the quickest, easiest, safest fashion (with the least amount of money provided by the latest taxpayers' vote) you had to come up with designs that understood the lack of staffpower and the general condition of the people living there. Privacy is a luxury when the staffing ratio is 1 staff to 30 clients. In order for people to even get baths you have to develop a fast and safe method of doing it. No one enjoyed it, no one believed things would get so crowded, and it wasn't built for someone's sadistic pleasure, although there were and are some sick people (as in every group) who may have enjoyed staring at nude people.
Think about being the sole caretaker for 30 people, most of whom can't walk, who don't understand what you are saying to them, and who can't or won't cooperate when you are trying to clean them up. You have just finished dinner and you are supposed to get all 30 people bathed and ready for bed and it is just you. One of the people in your group wants to take a bath, but you aren't sure she can hold herself up. You could do like they did in some places and have everyone walk through showers and just hose them down. Baths were a luxury because you had to clean the tubs out in between clients, and that took time, so seeing bathtubs is a good thing. However, what if you are working with Client #1 and Client # 2 has a seizure behind you and slips under the water and drowns? What if someone wants to go in the tub room to drown themself? Privacy is the first "luxury" to go when there are few staff and lots of people.
I know that every time someone commits suicide in a mental hospital or jail everyone yells about how they should have been monitored. But then there is a group that hollers about their lack of privacy if they are constantly monitored.
Things are MUCH better today, but there are still many places where we are still working on the concepts of privacy and dignity. And remember - this is a pretty Western/Americanized concept of privacy - there are many other places in the world that consider this a strange thing - to prefer privacy over group activities. We are a fairly modest culture, Brittany Spears notwithstanding. ;-) However, both in the community and in institutional settings that is the current policy - as we do live in America we want to reflect these cultural values - we work with staff so they understand that we can have both. Now that funding is better and we have better staffing ratios (in the daytime 1 staff to 4 or 5 clients in most places - if you are lucky - and 1 staff to 8 clients at night) we are better able to incorporate both privacy and safety.
I still can't help feeling sorry for the people who were bathed so openly though, its part of the tragedy of having an Illness where you have to rely on others to take care of your every need.
Institutional care is depressing in its factory-like treatment of patients, but truly dysfunctional facilities could be downright barbarous. Among the iniquities Geraldo Rivera exposed at Willowbrook was that staff herded masses of patients into a room with a drain and just hosed them down. Kinda makes that tub room look like a health spa by comparison!
I hope you're being ironic Mark... though I'm not too sure...
Most people involuntarily sent to a psych ward, especially as a juvenile, need to be under strict surveillance for obvious reasons. To equate monitoring someone with possible suicidal tendencies with being a Peeping Tom is rather a stretch. If this happened to you recently I can understand why you are still unhappy about it. From the way you write it sounds like this was a fairly recent event. However, your parents would have been even unhappier had people not monitored you just for the sake of "preserving your dignity" if the worst had happened while the staff were being polite and looking the other way. Actually, your parents would have sued the place if something had happened when staff looked away, don't you think? *I* would if it was my relative and I was concerned about their welfare and someone turned their back and something awful happened to them.
You'll probably see this differently in about 10 to 20 years, but for now I am sure your interpretation of what happened will remain uniquely your own.
I just wanna throw a reminder in here that these weren't exactly mixed sex showers/tubs. It's not like there were male patients wandering around looking in on the female patients, and vice versa. From what I can tell, even most of the staff were the same sex as their wards, ie males with males, females with females. Of course there were exceptions, but then again in the medical profession a naked body is a naked body. You see so many that you don't even think about it anymore...
Whooooooooohoooooooo!
I'll have to try that at the bar tonight...
All too egger we are!
~Me: I'm always "egger". That's what makes me so much fun... :D
NOT
My perspective is a little different. As a children's advocate, I can tell you that hospitals can and do mistreat patients. Sometimes lack of privacy is used as a punishment. Sometimes the staff is too overworked to care. And sometimes, In the worst cases, individual caretakers consider the mentally ill, the retarded, and the (all too often) perfectly healthy minors imprisoned in these places by their parents as less than human and take pleasure in tormenting them.
I can't see a justification for two bathtubs in the same room with no curtains. It's inherently humiliating and it runs the risk of teaching the staff to think that humiliating patients is standard practice. In a nice, normal hospital, the staff may have to watch you bathe, but they go out of their way to maintain the illusion of caring about your dignity.
Not to mention - it's not safe. If these particular patients really do need constant supervision while bathing, two patients at once sounds like a very bad idea.
Alliecat-
Lynne does fully admit that mistreatment happened in these places. She admonishes very openly those persons who did/do mistreat patients.
You are right, mistreatment comes in many forms. However, some of these places were over crowded and badly understaffed with no funding to hire more persons to help care for the patients who needed it.
In the case of this bathroom let's create a scenario.
There is one staff member who has 8 patients she is responsible (CA Law is a 4 to1 ratio).
6 patients are medicated and compliant, who aren't causing any current problems, 2 patients are on suicide watch and have been for several days.
You need to see to it that both of them have access to a bath, but you can't leave one of them unsupervised because they are also at high risk for escaping.
You can't let the other one in the bathroom because it has shower curtains and other metal objects that a desperate person who wants to commit suicide will get really creative in the process.
How then, would you be able to make sure they are both bathed without leaving either of them unsupervised?
The solution is simple. 2 tubs, one room, a door that doesn't lock from the inside, and a window for you to watch, to make sure that one of them didn't convince the other to carry out the act.
Yeah, this is extreme, but in many cases, it is an easy solution.
Same with a parent who has 3 kids under age 5 and it's bathtime.. You load them all into the bathtub at the same time. You aren't mistreating your children doing this because there is no privacy. You are actually doing yourself a favor because if you were to leave even one of those children alone and something were to happen.. Now you are in a case of child endangerment and neglect.
Some of these bathrooms where there was 2 tubs(or more) to a room. Were occupied by one patient to one attendant. To ensure safety.
Yes, in modern society and the way we advocate patients now, it does seem cruel and almost inhumane.
There is a little more funding, they try to not over crowd the facilities, and to keep staff at an optimal number.
(that's mental health care utopia)
When some of these places were open and had only a 1000 patient capacity, you could find close to twice that number in residence at some points.
Abuse does happen.. However it happens less and less now with education and intervention. We remember the abuse stories because we are all morbidly fascinated with them.
So they never go away.
Please note. I am not trying to flame anyone. I really just want everyone to look at some of this with a different perspective. No different than Lynne.
http://www.opacity.us/image1952.htm
i just showed this picture to my wife, who took nurse aid training at a veterans facility, and she said they had multiple tubs and showers there also. she mentioned using the hoyer lift and being able to wheel the residents into special showers on a gurney. The other thing she told me was they had tubs with a side that swung open to make it easyer to get the residents in and out.
she agereed with why there were multiple tubs, having to bathe multiple patients at one time. She was confused as the reason for the observation window, although there has to be a reasonable answer for it being there, it would be to costly and labor intensive to have been put there " just for fun "
I borrowed your soapbox ma'am. I hope you didn't mind.
Perhaps the window is to insure that nobody is accidentally left inside the room.
Yes, the truth is that we beat up all the poor innocent locked-up mistreated people who live in institutional facilities and we ask all the staff to do the same. Hell, we fire them if they don't. We line people up without clothes for laughs and then take pix and show to the public because we are all sick and twisted. We also starve everyone and chain them to the bed because we are bored and sit around all day on our fat butts with nothing better to do. No one knows how to advocate for people with handicaps except people who have never actually seen one. You are all correct - you surpass those of us who have spent years doing this and we have all lied and hidden the truth from you very smart cookies who have finally figured us evil ones out. The jig is up - we're busted! Oops! Our bad!
Happy?
Your last comment didn't have anything to do with my last posting, did it? If so please let me know what i may have said wrong, i don't want it to seem sa if i am putting down anyone in your profession.
What's every one in health care going to do? *whining voice* How could you?
At least you left out the mandetory classes on depriving people of their dignity and...uh oh I said too much.
;-/
Lynne, I'll say it again. You, and people like you, are Angels of Mercy. What the rest of us would do without you and your kind is beyond me. I'd hope to have you taking care of me or my loved ones if we ever needed it.
Sorry to get "off topic" Mr. Motts, but this is just way too important for people to understand, and it does have to do with the buildings and their past, that you keep alive so well for us all.
Privacy is a priviledge, not a right, and if it means saving someone's life, their privacy SHOULD be revoked. I'd rather someone be alive and humiliated than dead to protect their "dignity"...
im not about to start on picking that spiel to shreds because frankly i dont have enough time or energy to do the job properly.. suffice it to say that sure, "they" ate their own faeces and suffered violent episodes for the one sole reason that "they" were trying to fuck with you.
Im sure that those capable of supplying humane mental health care are heaving one hell of a sigh of relief at the retirement of yourself and others of similar ilk and professional standard.
I think I'm finally getting too old for this field. 8`-)
i thank you though Ed for the pertinent reminder to read and remember what these places were like.. however that doesnt necessarily mean that im going to be oozing "props" to da well 'ard jailer.. aiiight?
On a totally seperate topic, and back to the photograph, many hospitals of this type did not have curtains on the showers and baths: It was felt that the learning disabled/ mentally ill were unable to appreciate the privacy a curtain woud have ensured. It was assumed that they could not feel shame or embarassment like other people and as such didn't need curtain. Architects designing the properties were instructed not to install them. I have also have been told it was a cost-saving measure.
QUIT using the word retard! Or are you that way yourself! I deal with mentally challenged people, and this is one of the worst insults to them, and I find it only true retards use this word. Lynn is right about what she speaks, this precautions are there for the protection of these patients.
Once again, you've put a rational yet compassionate face on the other side of things. Thank you.
CF
What we learned, like I said, was based in part upon recomendations from our parents and V.I. (special ed teachers trained to work with blind kids). What we learned at the school day, especially in relation to our personal self-care skills were observed and worked on when we returned to our dorms.
This meant everything. And I do mean everything! Especially if you were one of the younger kids. The dorm was split into a boys side. I didn't ever go over there more than a hand full of times so I can't say what it was like over there, but I'm guessing it was more or less the same as happened over on our side. On our side there was the main dorm where the younger girls from about age 5 through 12ish would live. and then then there was the east wing where the older girls stayed. The older girls had much more privicy. For every 2 2 person bedrooms there was a shared bathroom. They had their own kitchenette and lounge. It was a pretty sweet setup if you ask me. I know I loved it when I finally landed a spot there.
On the main dorm there were several large 3 - 4 person bedrooms. We each got a closet, a desk and a chest of drawrs if we were lucky. Some kids had to split up the dwars one having the top 2 and the other having the bottem 2... We had a large lounge and a empty bedroom that was converted into a weekend breakfast room. We had a piano room at the end of the long hall and a large "public" bathroom. When you walked in straight ahead of you was a large open space with a washer and dryer and a large sink on your right. A sort of wall that was open on both ends on your left. A full length mirror was on this wall and a large gray laundry baskette where bed clothes and towels and school owned laundry was put. If you turned right there was a long row of toilet stalls and across from that, on the wall behind the washer and dryer, a long row of sinks and mirrors. If you turned left and went round the full length mirror wall you had a stall shower. and then two bathtubsthen a small wall and a single tub on that next to the windows. There were chairs next to each tub... There wasn't much privicy in the bath section unless you took a shower or got the tub next to the window... But even then you were pretty much on display.
The reason being that a dorm mother would oversee the baths and stand there and watch you, especially if you were a lil kid to make sure you took a bath and cleaned your body and washed your hair rather than play around . Some kids even got watched when they did their toilet. Because I guess they needed help.
The reason we were watched even when taking a bath or whatever was to, like I think I saidd, was to make sure we were doing our self-care properly or to spot any troubles that had gone unnoticed... It didn't bother me when I was younger but today, partly I think because of the lack of privicy we had to put up with there, I am a very privet toilet person. I can't stand to bathe or do my toilet if someone else is around and I try to get changed in regards to my clothes as quickly and as unseen as possible.
I mean... most public toilets have a whole bunch of cubicles, but you rarely see ALL of them being occupied at the same time - it just meanas that the buiding CAN cope with more people when it has to.
p.s.: Sorry for the uncorrect english, I'm not mothertongue...
http://en.wikipedia.or...i/Flaming_(Internet)