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That wheelchair almost looks scared, as if it's hiding, don't you think so?
(That's his picture on the back wall)
The children and toddlers in here were very regressed. They basically stuck them in beds all day and never took them out to teach them how to walk or anything. poor kids.
I've been talking to the wall, haven't I? :-(
Damn that soap box! >:-( Where did it come from?
Is it a tree?
Lynne you are a good soul, I love you!
"These are people FIRST; THEN they are people who have disabilities. "
i want to see T-shirts with this slogan
I don't pity the 'children' that lived here for their disabilities, as I said I know a couple of people who are developmentally 'challenged' in some way or another and I certainly don't feel sorry for them, nor would they want people to do so. But I do pity the Pennhurst clients for the way many of them were treated, whether that took the form of deliberate abuse by a tiny minority of the staff or the more widespread neglect that saw residents tied to their beds, attacked by other patients or simply so regressed that they were unable to walk or talk because they'd never been given the opportunity to do so.
Of course even with testimonies from ex-patients, and footage of the place in use, Pennhurst was so massive and affected so many people over nearly eight decades that we'll probably never know the full story behind it. These murals could well have been painted by some of the residents themselves. And it's odd to think how if that were confirmed to be the case, I think most would agree that this room would lose many of its unpleasant connotations...
Well Lynne, you certainly made me think and reconsider some of my views... so the wall isn't the only thing to benefit from your 'rants' :-)
The disability movement uses that slogan - it is burned into our brains. Here are some various places who use that phrase and it already IS a tee-shirt. :-)
http://www.alaskachd.o..._graphics/pflogo.gif
http://www.health.stat...sdoh/promo/title.gif
http://www.open.org/~people1/
I got the feeling i was not there alone.
Secondly, that "thing" on the wall...Is that an archway painted on the left? And what of that other circle next to it? It sort of looks like a bloodshot eye. Odd.... Looking at the bottom of the painting, it looks like grass....<of the non-smokable kind> Could this be some sort off TREE??
[THUMP]
[THUMP]
This is so freaky...imagine...i have ADD and ADHD (Hyperactive AND attetion problems)....T.T so glad that i get to live a damaged life AT LEAST in my own house...
Would it be difficult to add some before pictures to show people what some of these places used to look like.
I am sure they would be few but what there is may help some of us understand better what we are looking at.
There is a before and after picture of an autopsy table (i forget where exactly ) that really shows a stark contrast between then and now.
Ok, now that that is out of the way. If I'm out of line here as a newb I'm sorry, but I have read a great deal of this site (I even get soap dispenser/light fixture) and I can no longer just, well, not comment.
I want to try and respond to the people who constantly, CONSTANTLY, say "Aww that's such a sad/horrible/cruel place to have been in." Yes it can be sad, very sad, but to someone like myself who has been on BOTH sides of institutional life, I get kind of riled up when some people that have no REAL idea of what goes on inside these places lump all of the staff at these facilities into the same categories, cruel/heartless/abusing/uncaring/thoughtless/inhuman, monsters. Damn, that just makes me sooo angry! Yes, there are bad staff at various places, like bad employees in ANY industry/company, and THEY ARE ALWAYS,ALWAYS, IN THE MINORITY(sorry for the shout but can't make my point any other way)!!!
Man, if it weren't for some AWSOME staff..*sigh* my life probably wouldn't be what it is now, and I'm talking about..more than 20, yes more than 20 years ago, SUPRISE, there were enough CARING people waaaaayyyy back then (before some commenters were even born) to make a huge difference in my life. People like Lynne in other words, people who really try to make a difference inside, as well as out, trying to get others to understand that the MAJORITY of caregivers, really do care about the people in their care, and they do make a difference, every single day.
That part said, I sort of get a kick out of comments about the above picture being way creepy, hideous, whatever. Firstly overcrowding could be a reason for using a basement room; secondly this painting was done years ago when that room was brightly lit with electric light, and had not been abandoned for years and years. Plus the staff member or resident who painted it was not Mikey Anjello. It was an attempt to brighten a drab space. Now it is a sad reminder of the past which Mr. M has captured most perfectly.
So sorry for the rant, I think I found Lynne's soapbox under a lonely chair.
Lynne You de Man... um well umm you know what I mean ..*blush*
Lurk no more!!!!
I don't know if I deserve my own soap box just yet guys :-)
I have always been moved (guess you can say) by your comments. You TRY to remind people that there are those that care.
I dunno what to say really but your posts/comments, really hit home with me, make me remember that not every one in your tough field is totally burnt out.
Keep it real Lynne
I agree with pretty much everything said, especially that things are not as simple as good or bad.
Most people in institutions don't want to be pitied (but some do, remember we're talking mental illness in many cases).
The majority of care providers do give a damn and are good people, but under certain conditions (e.g. overcrowding, understaffing, undertraining) everyone has a breaking point. This is one way abuse occurs.
Everyone thinks the sort of abuse that went on at places like Pennhurst were overt to the general public, as if anyone in the general public would know about it if it went on today. It took alot of investigative reporting to urge on institutional reform, first in the 1940s, and then again in the 1960s and 1970s (I guess people forgot about it in the 50s).
Institutional abuse still occurs regularly, especially against underage patients and severely impaired patients. For example, I used to work at a private psych hospital with a very good reputation for a decent number of years. From the inside, they seemed to average about 2 incidents of likely sexual abuse and many, many incidents of physical abuse. Yet, most of these aren't known to the public and nothing is done about them internally (I even reported several incidents myself only to see the conditions, and staff members, on the unit stay the same!).
It was true that ALOT of abuses went on at Pennhurst (and was therefore more obvious), but there were ALOT more patients. However, today's abuses are less obvious for various reasons. Instead of widespread neglect as well as other forms of abuse (like at Pennhurst and other places), there is now mostly physical and sexual abuse. Many of these abuses go unfounded because (a) victims are unwilling or unable to come forward, (b) a single victim's or accuser's account is often not enough to result in meaningful action, (c) hospital lawyers make it hard for a staff member to be proven liable, and (d) if all else fails, the lawyers settle civil ca$e$ quickly and include language/term$ that make it unlikely that families will pursue criminal complaints (many families prefer paydays and not criminal justice).
To come full circle, it's NOT as easy as saying these obstacles are a bad thing. There are TONS and TONS of allegations of abuse that are complete BS (I've witnessed these too). Some families scheme for paydays, so in this regard, it is good to make it hard to prove abuse.
So, like someone said, (Lynne I think), it's never as easy as Good vs Bad. Just please keep trying to learn as much as possible about something.
Here are some good places to start:
Unforgotten: Willowbrook 20 years later (This is a DVD with Geraldo's original expose from the 70s, a good watch)
Suffer the Children (This is an expose on Pennhurst specifically, available as linked by Motts on the main Pennhurst page. There is a color one available from the "vault" on NBC10.com)
Books by Grob (these are mostly historical books on institutions and related topics,,,"The Mad Among Us" is particularly good)
I will say in the facility where I work that the possibility of severe on-going abuse of any sort is next to impossible. Too many checks and balances, too many people who are trained to spot the signs of abuse, and the fact that every person who lives there gets a body check daily and has multiple notes written on them in the charts by many different staff makes it difficult for abuse to occur without the abuser getting caught quickly. Add to that the fact that all staff have to go through criminal background checks (anyone with any sort of a violent history - spouse abuse, child abuse, or any other "barrier" crimes can not be employed) and are fingerprinted with the fingerprints going to the national data base, etc., and you are as safe here as you are in a regular hospital. You are certainly safer than in a community setting, I am sorry to say, because I personally prefer the freedom of the community settings, but they have a ways to go to assure such comparable checks.
Although, the multi-eyed monster thing is what popped out to me at first, too. ;-)
Seriously I think we had a bit of a disguntled artist here. Maybe they didn't pay him (or her) enough money so artist went on a pianting rampage; punishing the kids for something that was the employers fault.
What a pleasant and uplifting thought, huh?
And yeah, that looks to be a gingerbread house. The "eyes" look like peppermint candies.
This is one of my fav pics btw.
I think he was enjoying reading your "omgz a monstar" comments too much!
How could parents let their children play in this dreary dungeon ?
They must be doin' the dope !
Signed: An American Soldier in Germany.
Please throw your soap box out and come down here wit the rest of us, the air is "thicker".
This tendency is actually proven through psychological experiment: in the facilitated communication fiasco involving the alphabet boards and the autistic patients, with the caregivers "assisting" their communication manually. In reality, the caregivers were subconsciously controlling the "conversation," much like the way it is actually you operating the Ouija board. Many caregivers reported detailed accounts of incest and abuse, supposedly confided to them by their autistic patients. Families were ripped apart by these accusations, the greater majority of which were proved false via forensic science and psych research. And all along It was merely a particularly interesting form of transference on the part of the caregivers. Facilitated Communication is now largely considered pseudoscience.
im not saying abuse didnt occur. not at all. but it is important to keep a sober mind regarding all this. the history of mental health wasn't entirely a bacchanal of sadism, and like civilization in general, it's gotten more and more humane over time.
I have a keen eye for spotting ghosts in photographs...
I was trying to figure out what that blotch covering the peppermint candies on the "gingerbread tree" was so I lightened the photograph and zoomed in. And the blotch to me looks like the face of a child.
Has anyone else made a connection to Hansel and Grettel in the theme of the mural?
Think about it for a minute...
What do you think?
On the abuse everyone talks about, I can speak from the patient side. I've been in a mental hospital, twice. The first time, I had support and caring from the staff. They were very helpful and seem to care. But the 2nd time, I went to another one, it was ran by the same company as the 1st, but at a differant location. The treatment was awful. I came out worse than I went in. After I got out, I vowed not to ever go back. I had a nervous break down a couple of months ago and my dr. wanted to send me back, but knowing how to answer some questions (in other words, lying) I didn't get sent back. I'm terrified of hospitals now cause of that. So I can feel what this children went thru. I've been there.
~to yogalifter that blot is a spot on the wall that either paint has came off or a board on the wall.
And there was a lot of terrible things that happened at Pennhurst as well as a lot of other homes for the infirm, as they called them. Things that are awful by any account - sexual and physical abuse - , no matter the time or place. But many of the things that happened - the neglect, the experimental surgeries and treatments were what was in common practice at the time. Not because they were all sadists, but because that's where they were along the timeline of medicine. You all should remember that psychiatry and psychology are fairly young sciences and that resources for mentally and physically handicapped individuals didn't exist until more recently.
I'm not making a case for what they did or defending them in anyway. I think that the time that those people spent there was terrible and my heart aches for each and every one of them because no one deserves to be abandoned and stripped of who they are. Everyone should have an advocate and should feel loved and valued throughout their lives. But the majority of the people that worked there had good intentions. They were doing what was considered to be the helpful thing at the time.
this place is honestly 10 different kinds of f*cked up
We all need to understand that those that are loving and caring people who are willing to care for others as they would thier own family . These people need to be remembered and appreciated for the differances that they made in thier patient's lives. Speaking from personal experiance, there is no better feeling than knowing that what you did for another is appreciated. Even if what you did for them was as simple as spending time with them or giving them a bath, or making sure that they are safe where they live.
We all have a responsibility to care for those that cannot care for themselves. Abuse of children, the MH/MR population and of the elderly happens every day. It is our responsibiltiy to help speak out for those that cannot.
The GA team went with the security chief into the bldg and to that room on the 4th floor----ALL of the windows are 'covered' with a protective screen that is screwed in place......NO ONE has access to the cloth drapes. The security chief radioed his son to meet them in the room. He looked to be about 23 yrs old---not a kid. He recalled the incident...........then, they showed him the secured windows. He was totally taken aback.........I think it was Zak who said aside to the camera----'it's always neat to watch skeptics when they realize that they HAD seen a 'ghost'..........