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[Navi]

Well, I don't agree with necessarily shunning convicted pedophiles either. But, worse things could happen, which is why I really dislike the fact that one can just go on the internet or whatever and find out who they all are. I've heard of at one least case of serial killings in which the murderer did just that, went online to find this bunch of convicted sex offenders and murdered them all. I'm sorry but...that's crossing a line a mile wide.

[Lyric]

I hate to admit it... But we do have to recognize that some kids now days are indeed active by age 12 or 13, because they have no supervision, and behave the way they see is okay by mainstream media.

We have a loving nickname for that among my friends... We call these kids "Prostatots".

Does it mean that a pedophile has an excuse... No, but they sure do make for easy prey.

[minktail]

we've got one living across the street from our small community park. his parents own the home & the father's passed.   while i never knew him, the father was kind of a dirt bag.  mom seemed to be pleasant.  he will remain in the home- despite our local ordinance not allowing convicted sexual offenders to live w/i at least 1000ft. of a playground, school, etc- because he lived there before.  he's "grandfathered" in.    he used the excuse "the girl came on to me"; used the term "lolita" in a recent newspaper article about him.  also in the  article our small town mayor defended him, saying he was from just the nicest family, etc.  but the mayor's a dirt bag, too.....
no one goes to the park alone.  the land is worth a lot of $$.  maybe they'll sell one day.....soon.
mink

[weasel]

Really, nobody can be trusted at any time with my kids outsde of a handful of family and friends, and even young teen boy family members do not have closed door playtime with my girls, even if they seen innocent or just playing video games or whatever. I am just TOO paranoid and I feel I can not be careful enough. I have had to live with stories of abuse from my Mother and Sister all my life and it happened to them by FAMILY. (which is THE SICKEST) Therefore, I am very careful.

The laws are too lienent. These people need to be locked up for good, they are a true danger to society. That is my opinion, I think it is ridiculous that a person goes to jail over something stupid, but these guys are out free to destroy lives as they please. There are sooooomany that are not caught and that is the scariest thought in my mind.

I agree with you Lyric, about the "Prostatots". You should see how many little 11 and 12 yr olds are dressing in slutty wear and then I always notice GROWN MEN staring and practically drooling and I want to smack them upside the head with a brick. (Of course, I'd be in jail and they would be free to rape whoever they wanted... :roll: ) *sigh*

And my rant is done.

[StareGirl]

I really do not like the 'slutty' clothes kids wear these days, but that has less than nothing to do with the fact the girls are way underage.  Men shouldn't want to have sex with them, much less go to a house with plans to do it.

I'm with weasel in that I'd hit the guy over the head with a brick.  And yes, weasel it is the ones that aren't caught that are the most dangerous.  The average pedophile has multiple crimes racked up before he is caught.  

I am not for vandalizing a house, or putting stickers all over a guys car or anything like that, I just want them off the street where they may hurt a real child.

And yeah, anyone that lusts over a 12-13 year old, no matter how they dress, is sick in my mind.

[Zwheels]

molesting a child is not a acident. yes some young girls will come on to you they just don't know what they are geting into. the adult male should know and fight the urge. shoot you just show a young girl a little attention somthing as simple as just listning to what they have to say. will have them thinking of you as somone special. it's a very easy answer if you molest a child you goto prison for life locked away from children.

[weasel]

molesting a child is not a acident. yes some young girls will come on to you they just don't know what they are geting into. the adult male should know and fight the urge. shoot you just show a young girl a little attention somthing as simple as just listning to what they have to say. will have them thinking of you as somone special. it's a very easy answer if you molest a child you goto prison for life locked away from children.

Very well put!!!

[Ectoplasmic Terrier]

I've heard some PJ critics say the perps are being arrested for thoughtcrimes.  The guy thinks he is making smutty conversation with a 13-year-old.  The guy thinks he is sending dick pics to a 13-year-old.  The guy thinks he is driving to a house for a sexual liason with a 13-year-old.  In each case, there was no minor involved, just adult LE.  

Look at it another way.  Murder-for-hire.  The guy thinks he is calling a hitman to murder his wife.  The guy thinks he is discussing arrangements with a hitman to murder his wife.  The guy thinks he is driving to the Valley Vista motel to pay the hitman 20 grand to murder his wife.  In each case the guy was talking to an FBI undercover, and when he hands the cop the envelope, they bust his ass!  

A good defense attorney would run rings around this analogy, but I think it's fair enough.

It's the same principle at work with PJ.  Bust the guy before he finds a real hitman to murder his wife.  Bust the guy before he finds a real 13-year-old to rape.  In the latter case, unfortunately, many of the perpetrators have committed the crime once, if not several times, before.

My favorite PJ episode involved the fellow who drove 70 miles for sex with a 14-year-old girl.  He told the PJ crew he had a daughter the same age and was very concerned about this girl's online behavior.  He was there, he said, to admonish her against such irresponsible behavior!

Sure, "dad," click-click, now get in the car!
 :roll:

Important to distinguish:
Pedophilia: sexual attraction to pre-puscent minors.
Ephebophilia: sexual attraction to adolescents.

Both may be illegal, but I don't think it is the same pathology to want sex with a 5-year-old as to want sex witha 15-year-old.

[stormy_eyez74]

That is one of the things that concerns me with my neighbor. Has he done this before and not gotten caught? He is definitely an odd character and made me uncomfortable prior to this incident. One thing that I KNOW he was doing for a fact was hitting on several women who were in our circle of friends. Last summer he stalked a 15 year old girl that lives close by, to and from our neighboorhood pool. Now, I just found out from his wife via email last night that they have people moving in beside them (3 doors down from us). I PRAY that they don't have anyone that fits his 'type'. I have told my 8 year old not to go near him unless we were with her. This confused her because just last year these people were over at our house nearly every night.

I tend to agree with the fact people who are attracted to teens may not have an attraction to young children. However, I am not willing to take that chance and I am not sure anyone else is who has a young child in my situation. However, we don't ignore them totally and we speak in social situations but I never see us all being pals again. Plus, I understand that his attorney told him that he was lucky if he only got 2 years in prison.  :shock: I don't even wanna know WHY his own attorney doesn't hold much hope for him staying out of prison.

[Barbara]

During high school, a friend of mine was going out with this guy, he seemed nice, was in one of my classes, and was even over at my house along with my friend for a birthday party.  I also occasionally sat with him at lunch.  Fast forward 3 years, I'm driving around with a friend of mine also from high school, and she mentions that this guy was in jail for child for child pornography.  I nearly crashed the car.  I was shocked, I mean my friend who was going out with him was very nice, a great student, I'm sure she didn't know and I wonder how she reacted (I have lost contact with her over time...plus that's not exactly something I would want to bring up).  I don't know the whole story, whether he was taking pictures himself or distributing them, but I was and am deeply disturbed and shocked.  

It's just amazing how you never really know people  

Oh, and how did I forget...my senior year, a teacher at my high school was arrested for soliciting sex with an underage boy, and was caught in the parking lot where he was planning to meet the kid.  I never had this man for a teacher, but a few of my friends did.  It was just plain creepy.  I remember we had a school assembly about the incident but I don't remember a whole lot about it.

[StareGirl]

It's the same principle at work with PJ. Bust the guy before he finds a real hitman to murder his wife. Bust the guy before he finds a real 13-year-old to rape. In the latter case, unfortunately, many of the perpetrators have committed the crime once, if not several times, before.

Reminds me of a conviction at PJ recently.  We had a guy hit up five contribs before he finally showed up at the bust house. They were all between the ages of 12 to 13.
http://www.perverted-justice.com/?con=johnchess2000

As for the thought crimes, most of the men PJ bust actually showed up at a bust house or other location, and the others had intent to show up.  That is no longer a thought crime.

My favorite PJ episode involved the fellow who drove 70 miles for sex with a 14-year-old girl. He told the PJ crew he had a daughter the same age and was very concerned about this girl's online behavior. He was there, he said, to admonish her against such irresponsible behavior!

Did you see that guy recently who had Jesus Saves! and I'm a virgin all over his MySpace?  He was another sicko that was so concerned, I think not!

Then there was the guy who took 3 hours from the start of the chat to show up at the house.    Luckly he's gonna have to be registered for the rest of his life.
http://www.perverted-justice.com/?con=Bpm0207

Stare Girl, thanks for bringing this up again on here, as a mother of two teenagers who use the interent, it is comforting to know there is a group like that out there doing what they can to help fight these creeps before they can do any harm.

You are so welcome.  It is just sad when PJ catches them AFTER they have hurt kids before.  At least they won't hurt anyone else, if parents like you continue to be pro-active (look in the registered offenders database and so on).

Note: The links I posted are SFW, however if you click to view the chat files from those links they are obviously NSFW.

[Lightwriter]

On another board I asked the question as to why was Dateline NBC still catching these guys every week?

Are they getting lucky on a regular enough basis that it's worth the risk? Are 13 year olds putting themselves out there for these guys?

I was molested by my father off and on until I was 10. Dad molested, we estimate, maybe 20 kids before he died. Let me add to this discussion by telling you how my dad worked and how he was successful (We had tried to bring charges against him for molesting u s and a family friend), I think everyone should know because he's the most common type of pedaphile - the trusted friend or family member.

Dad was selective, he usually targeted kids with single mothers. He'd offer to take them to the movies and "Get them out of her hair for the afternoon". Often these women had boyfriends and were happy to get rid of them on a Saturday afternoon. As dad gained their trust he would offer to have a "Sleep Over", so their mother could have the night to herself. He'd eventually work up to a weekend camping trip. There was nothing creepy about dad, he was like John Stewart in that he was funny and intelligent and you would have never had known. Often the boys didn't know they had been molested. Dad was smooth, he'd wait until they asked him a sexual question and then he'd demonstrate with them. He was never aggressive or forceful, just persueisive.

Dad was a church organist, usually involved with church youth groups. If he were alive today I doubt he'd be online.

There was another pedaphile in my life, a friend's older teenage brother. He was the nightmare type of molester. He was aggresive and violent. He didn't get me but only because I was lucky. I'll tell you about that because there are lessons that you can all pass on to your kids or friends who have them.

This guy had been a family friend for a long time. We had all been on the swim team. In his senior year in highschool he slipped a nut in his head. His best friend came to my family as we were coming out of church one day and warned my brother and I, in front of my mother, that "Dave" had problems and that we should never get in his car or go anywhere alone with him. This guy even rescued me one time as Dave had spotted me, he got me into his car instead and got me home.

Then one afternoon, I had just walked out of a canyon that I had been playing in after school (there were abandoned car wrecks to play in and snakes everywhere. Heaven for a 12 year old boy) and as I stood at the crosswalk Dave pulls up in his 1966 Mustang and asks me if I want a ride home. I say no, he says come on and I shake my head and then the light changes and I zipp across the street. As I cross I see his car drive up a short way and hang a U-turn. I haul ass and run into the Supermarket and stop at the magazine rack so I can see the parking lot, sure enough I see his Mustang pull in and hold up at a spot where he can see the entire parking lot. I know that he's looking for me. So I made my way to the back of the supermarket and snuck into the rear section, there I found the rear exit and I slipped out . I walked a short distance when Dave's car came from nowhere, he yells at me to get into his car. I was in front of a small shopping center called "The Barnyard" and I ran into it and out of the other side. There was the Holdiay Inn, I went inside of than and slinked out through the parking lot and came up behind the Chevron. It was there I see Dave pull into the station parking lot, from there he can see my only access ( an empty field to the stoplight at Highway one and Rio Rd, for those of you who like to google map stuff). I'm on the verge of freaking out, the sun is going down and there's no way past him....that is until I remember the big storm drain that's behind the supermarket. Thank's to my juvenile delinquency, I have a back way out of this. I run back to the market and climb the fence and enter the 3/4 mile long drain pipe that runs all the way to the Carmel river. I'd been through here before and I hated it but today it's my underground railroad, even though it's a slow walk without a flashlight ( hey, it's a tube). By the time I get to the river the sun has gone down, I walk about a half mile down the empty river bed to the Highway 1 bridge and made my way home from the back side.

I never gave up. I never gave into my fear and I never got into the car. In fact, UE saved my ass. Today I would have run into the supermarket and found an adult and then called the police.

Tell your kids what to do if approached, tell them not to get into the car. Tell them to run and find an adult. Tell them that 911 is free at a payphone (make sure they know what a payphone is).

[weasel]

WOW Lightwriter...scary story. :shock:

My Mother never ever allowed us to go on Girlscout camping trips because of her fears of us being molested. She had been molested, so she was pretty strict. Your story about your Dad makes me glad we did not go.

What about a guy who is 22 dating a 16 year old? Is that sick, or is a 16 year old girl so physically like an adult woman that it is acceptable? I used to date older men when I was in high school. (much to my mother's displeasure :x ) My Mom even followed me on a date in her car to see what the guy was going to do with me. :lol:

I guess if a girl is 16 or older and a guy gives a glance, it is harmless, but if all a person (male or female) wants to date is kids under 18 and in high school and they are over 21, it is a little disturbing.

I have to wonder WHY. What is the reason people do this to kids. Can they not control it? Have they no conscience? I will NEVER get it. I know that some were themselves molested. Then WHY would they want to subject somebody else to that same pain and do it to another kid?

[Sian]

I was 16 when I got with my fiance. He was 24.

I'm now 21 and he's just turned 30, we are very happily living together with our two children and are getting married in 8 months time.

And before anyone starts to turn their nose up at us, or worse..him, let me tell you  I did the chasing. Even when he called it off, I persisted. He was called every name under the sun but in the end we knew we were right together, and thats that.

No one would kick up a fuss if it was 40 year old man and a 31 year old woman would they? :roll:

[seclusion]

I want to tell you somthing that my friend and I had come to a understanding about.
  My friend is 25 years old, he is single and Str8, he has a atraction to young boys age 7-15. we will call him John.
  When john was 12 years old he went to the same boy scout camp as I did  after dinner in the mess hall I stayed after to help clean the tables, I noticed this boy across the room helping to it was only me and him, he walked up to me and introduced him self as John, from there we started talking about bikes and tricks and what videos games we had at home.
 John asked to walk me back to camp,me being one year younger made him like a big brother to me.
After camp was over John called me up one day and asked if I wanted to come over and hang out, from that day forth John and had been friends up till today.

just two years ago he got marryed and there planing on having childern.

  last summer I was on Johns computer, I was going thru his favorites, happend to stumble across a website that had the word "Boylover" in it.
  I click it to see what it was. It was a support group for men who call them selfs Boylovers.
   I thought OMG Is john a pedo? John walked in and seen what i was looking at. He said let me explaine...

John begin to break down and come out to me, and he told me that he is atracted to young boys age 7-15, I asked him what he means , and has he had sex with these kids.. he said hell no i would never hurt a child or do any sexual acts with them.
  He said a boylover is a caring person who loves childern and loves to see them happy and watch them grow up. he said he has a few young friends that he hangs out with, Shawn who is 13 has no father and his mother wors all day, John picks him up and helps him with his home work and they sit on the couch and watch telly till his Shawns mother comes home.
   John told me that he loves this boy like he is his brother or son.

I was so confused I was thinking my friend is a Pedo and molest lil kids.
   He opened my eyes to a new world. i aksed PJ on there message forum what they think of boylovers, they said they are nothing but pedophiles.
   and they cant be more wrong. dont get me wrong here im sure there is some pedos who hide behind the name "boylover" but there are those who truly care for kids.
I think the biggest boylover / girllover organization  out there in the USA is BBBS "Big Brothers Big Sisters of America" ..
 
The reason for me to tell you all this is becuse John is siting here next to me as I type this, He read every post in this topic.
   He has online relationships with teen boys, and has planed to meet them . heis outraged by how PJ conducts there organization  by intraping men into there net, and beleving that they are realy a child.
   however PJ is doing a good thing when they find the real pedos.

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 On his message forum they are all aggenst PJ and what they do.

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om my note .. I like PJ and I think bringing sick twisted minded ppl to jail is a good thing.