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[~Me]

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060114130509990001&ncid=NWS00010000000001

You have got to be fucking kidding ~Me! [/size]

[serrena_de_singe]

You know ... I've got to wonder if insanity, to some degree, isn't just another reason for drug therepy at times.  It's like some of these companies just want to numb the human experience altogether.  I've seen some instances where the med was used in lieu of traditional therepy.  It kind of scares me just how much stock we'll put in these "wonder" drugs.

I have very mixed feelings about this PTSD med.  Very mixed feelings.

[Lyric]

While PTSD is a reall disorder, there are far too many people who do abuse the diagnosis.

For instance, it's easy for a woman who witnessed a horrible car accident to claim PTSD and sue someone for a settlement.  And will get it.

Then at other times there are paradmedics who have dreams of fishing a dead child out of a washing machine several years after the incident that can't get it because someone will give a ruling of " Well, you knew that you were going to see horrible things when you signed up for the job"

I find that now the use of PTSD as an excuse for laziness as appalling as a parent putting an otherwise normal child on Ritalin because it is easier to parent them.
Rather than just letting them be rambucntious children, and waiting to make sure that they really do have a learning disorder instead of jumping the gun.

[Lynne]

Hiya, youse guys,

This is not a bad drug. When I am feeling more awake (for God's sake, you people, it's only noon here and I am in the middle of a 4 day weekend!) I'll give you a little input on it. We've used it for years. It's a simple blood pressure drug that people take to calm down the body's autonomic arousal system. It is used to reduce blood pressure and some folks use it for sweaty palms (because that's a side effect of the body working overtime) and some use it when they have a fear of public speaking (they get frightened and their heart beats fast and they tremble and sweat, etc.). It's not a tranquilizer or sedative or happy pill; it literally only works to slow down the autonomic arousal system.

Oh. Now I don't have to say it again. Looks like I pretty much covered it all.
 :-k

[serrena_de_singe]

It's not a tranquilizer or sedative or happy pill; it literally only works to slow down the autonomic arousal system.

Ahh ... okay.  It counter-acts the "fight or flight" responses of the body, then?  Yeah, I can see where that can be very helpful in a PT with PTSD.

Lynne - I'm not allowed to play in the drug closet.  That's Tech territory only.

[Lynne]

Ahh ... okay.  It counter-acts the "fight or flight" responses of the body, then?  Yeah, I can see where that can be very helpful in a PT with PTSD.

Yeah, pretty much exactly the same thing we do in therapy for PTSD with hypnosis and relaxation and pairing the bad memories with a relaxed state. For a lot of people they can never get to the place where they are able to relax, so they are stuck with the arousal and upset that comes with traumatic memories. This is an interesting way to stop some of the worst initial associations the body makes between the horrible memories and the feelings of terror that naturally accompany them.

I was also a bit aghast when I first saw the headlines about this. I was afraid they had secretly created an "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" pill I hadn't heard of (which would be strange because I try to stay updated on the psych and pharmacy newsletters and such).  But this is actually a pretty good idea, in my incredibly humble pedantic and bombastic opinion (I like those words - they are so ME - but not ~Me).
 :-k

[Lyric]

I can totally see where this would work in a therapeutic state for PTSD pts.  
Now curiously, how would this work with someone who claims PTSD but doesn't have it to the degree of necessary medication?
Would it work as a vasosupressor to a dangerous level?

[Lynne]

I can totally see where this would work in a therapeutic state for PTSD pts.  
Now curiously, how would this work with someone who claims PTSD but doesn't have it to the degree of necessary medication?
Would it work as a vasosupressor to a dangerous level?

Mebbe this is the way to weed out the  :^o  :^o  :^o  :^o  :^o  :^o
 :wink:

[Lyric]

You might be right.  I like being able to weed out the crap.

Serrena and I had a discussion last night about this.  
Regardless of the level, everyone has had trauma in their life.  It doesn't matter.  It's how we deal with it that makes the biggest difference.  Some people really need help dealing with it, because of the extent of the trauma (ie War Vets. Medics. Doctors. etc)

But how much of this can be treated by associated learning. Safe place=no trauma?

I'm curious because it was the associated learning that helped me, and I have minimal triggers that set me off into a ball of anxiety.  

What makes someone develop sensitive triggers that can be set off by the sound of a running vaccuum?

[Jude]

Good topic ~Me,  thanks for bring this to us.   And great discussion going on too.....and thanks to our resident "know-all"  person,  Dr. Lynne I just learned something interesting.    

(notice I did NOT say "know-IT-all", that would be nasty!)    [-X

And Lynne honey would you please quit sticking that  :^o  THING  :^o  at us!   It's porno I tell ya!!

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

[Lyric]

The portion of this subject can now be found at Avatars 2
Just trying to keep things neat.

[serrena_de_singe]

The portion of this subject can now be found at Avatars 2
Just trying to keep things neat.

Which would be under the heading "Off Topic" for those of you that don't want to weed through every heading to find the sub-heading.

[StareGirl]

I suffer from PTSD from 9/11.  For me, it was  a build up of many years of different stressors and 'shocks' that built on each other.  Having to find my ailing elderly aunt on the East Coast, not knowing if she had survived her morning walk by the WTC while taking care of my grandfather out here was just too much.  Now I don't have a serious case as some, but there are days were I am sitting in the classroom at college and suddenly I 'see' the walls shake.  I still have trouble with walking up or down staircases, seeing them collapse as if I was in the WTC that day.

I would easily have taken this medicine on 9/11 if I had known what was to come.

[Barbara]

I've very sorry about that StareGirl, that sounds like quire the awful experience.  From what I gather, your aunt was ok though, so I am glad to hear that.

A friend of my mother's had a very close call on 9/11 - she and her daughter were visiting NYC and thought they'd stop for breakfast that morning in a cafe that was in the WTC, apparently on a higher floor.  I think they got up there, when the mother decided after looking out a window that she didn't like being up so high, and they left to go find another place to eat.  Very freaky.  

As for this pill, I can think of a situation or two where such a thing could have come in handy for me, but in the long wrong, I think it could mess up too many important things.  Then again, I'm certainly not a scientist.

[Dr Sketch]

...so they are stuck with the arousal...

Ok, I know you wrote other, more important stuff in there, but this is the only part that really stuck with me.  Does that make me  :twisted: ?